(07-15-2019, 01:29 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(07-15-2019, 10:58 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: $12000 a year isn't enough to take anyone off social programs, so it actually makes the problem worse, lol.
Not to mention, $15 an hour doesn't take anyone off social programs either.

I think you're just using hyperbole. 
I hope you are, I mean.
If you change "anyone" to "everyone" ... those are fair statements.  
$15 an hour will take PLENTY of people off of social programs.  All of them? By no means.  
The conversation about $15/hour should revolve around the fact that there will be fewer jobs, but also fewer people who have jobs and still need welfare.  It might help the government's budget and make more people happy, it might not.  But that's where the conversation should be.  Compare who is helped to who is hurt, add it up and decide if it still comes out positive.
But don't deny that some people will be helped.  Some people will be helped.  Admit it.
Only a moron lets the perfect be the enemy of the good.

$15/hr. will be great until the trickle-up effect raises everyone else's salaries, forcing employers to cut jobs as inflation in other areas of the economy overrides any momentary net gains from doubling the minimum wage with no economic justification for it. That screws everyone making "too much" to feel the trickle-up effects coming up from below, but who will still be hit by the spike in inflation. It's a momentary "fix" for low-income workers, and within five years we'll be hearing about how $15 is no longer a living wage, the new minimum should be $20, and we should convert our currency to yen so the big numbers don't look as bad.

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