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Trump Says Ilhan Omar Should Go Back to Africa

#61

(07-16-2019, 12:41 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(07-16-2019, 12:10 PM)TJBender Wrote: Vote for good people, and the rest will take care of itself.

Lol, sure.

Good people never last long in Politics. Well, some of them do. But they never ascend to the best positions with real merit or impact to change things. 

Trump doesn't count. He's not a Politician. He's the People's Champion. 

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#62

(07-16-2019, 12:10 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(07-16-2019, 11:56 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: If you put character ahead of policy you are not really voting for the well being of your country. There are no politicians of good character anyway, it's just a matter of degree. Clinton was an actual rapist, but the country did better under him than under Bush or Obama. Would you really rather have war and/or economic malaise if it meant that the best character guy was in charge?

Vote for good people, and the rest will take care of itself.

Ah yes, the Gene Smith Philosophy applied to politics.

(07-16-2019, 12:52 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(07-16-2019, 12:41 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Lol, sure.

Good people never last long in Politics. Well, some of them do. But they never ascend to the best positions with real merit or impact to change things. 

Trump doesn't count. He's not a Politician. He's the People's Champion. 

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#63

(07-16-2019, 12:54 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(07-16-2019, 12:10 PM)TJBender Wrote: Vote for good people, and the rest will take care of itself.

Ah yes, the Gene Smith Philosophy applied to politics.

(07-16-2019, 12:52 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Good people never last long in Politics. Well, some of them do. But they never ascend to the best positions with real merit or impact to change things. 

Trump doesn't count. He's not a Politician. He's the People's Champion. 

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
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#64
(This post was last modified: 07-16-2019, 01:08 PM by Adam2012.)

Thank you Trumpettes! Your never-ending efforts to turn yourselves into pretzels while trying to convince us that black is white and up is down is a tremendous source of amusement. Trump has been sending signals to White America for thirty years and it's clear the message has been received loud and clear. Some of you are too politically correct to admit it, so you spend time parsing Donald's tweets and trying to convince us that it's not about race at all!

Don't us realize how stupid you look? How pathetic? Just say what you mean. Let's change the Republican Party to The White Middle-Aged Male Party (for those who pretend to want small government conservatism but really just looking for s strong Daddy).

You'll feel so much better about yourselves if you'll come clean. Clearly you'll sell out for pretty much anything.
The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.
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#65

(07-16-2019, 01:08 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: Thank you Trumpettes! Your never-ending efforts to turn yourselves into pretzels while trying to convince us that black is white and up is down is a tremendous source of amusement. Trump has been sending signals to White America for thirty years and it's clear the message has been received loud and clear. Some of you are too politically correct to admit it, so you spend time parsing Donald's tweets and trying to convince us that it's not about race at all!

Don't us realize how stupid you look? How pathetic? Just say what you mean. Let's change the Republican Party to The White Middle-Aged Male Party (for those who pretend to want small government conservatism but really just looking for s strong Daddy).

You'll feel so much better about yourselves if you'll come clean. Clearly you'll sell out for pretty much anything.

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#66

(07-16-2019, 01:08 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: Thank you Trumpettes! Your never-ending efforts to turn yourselves into pretzels while trying to convince us that black is white and up is down is a tremendous source of amusement. Trump has been sending signals to White America for thirty years and it's clear the message has been received loud and clear. Some of you are too politically correct to admit it, so you spend time parsing Donald's tweets and trying to convince us that it's not about race at all!

Don't us realize how stupid you look? How pathetic? Just say what you mean. Let's change the Republican Party to The White Middle-Aged Male Party (for those who pretend to want small government conservatism but really just looking for s strong Daddy).

You'll feel so much better about yourselves if you'll come clean. Clearly you'll sell out for pretty much anything.

Parsing Donald's tweets are exactly what your MSM is doing. Showing words to support their narrative.
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#67

The sad reality is the United States and Western Europe take all the best and the brightest from all the worst countries and that's why they stay awful.
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#68

(07-15-2019, 07:51 PM)Bullseye Wrote:
(07-15-2019, 03:34 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: I wouldn't exactly say "what everyone else is thinking", but a large number of people do think and feel the same way.  The comment was made towards the "children" in Congress, but it should have been more specific to the African.

Before anyone decides to call me "racist" for pointing out that Ilhan Omar is indeed African let's set the record straight.  There is only one race... that being the human race.  She is ethnically African.

The only reason that I said that the comment should have been directed to her specifically is because she and her family immigrated here (the right way mind you) because they wanted to be in a better place.  That's why most people that immigrate here want to do, yet she basically says that this country is not "good enough".

Two of the other three are children of migrants (that did it LEGALLY) from places that are in fact worse off than this country.  Puerto Rico (AOC) and "Palestine" (Rashida Tlaib).

I don't like or agree with President Trump's tweet, though I can certainly see where it was coming from.  It's certainly not "what I was thinking" regarding these children elected to Congress.

It just so happens the target of his rants happen to be women of color?

Spare me the nonsense about us being "human beings."  This country's history has treated "human beings" quite differently based upon skin color.  Omar is American.  Full fledged...wholly legalized American Citizen with all of the rights that flow from being a citizen-as are the other three Congresswomen to which he refers.  

Where the hell does Trumo get off telling anyone-especially legal U.S. citizens-to leave the country, anyhow?  The fact he is urging these four United States citizens to leave the country almost as urgently as those in cages along the border shows that legal status is but flimsy pretext for those policies and proclamations.

He mentioned that all they do is complain.  First off, when does criticizing the president constitute hatred of the country?!?  Under that tacit rationale, Trump should have exited stage right when he began his wholly baseless attacks on former President Obama, and should have taken the bigoted and intransigent fascists on the right with him.

He cites allegedly anti semitic and pro al Qaeda sentiments uttered by Omar as a basis for them to leave. Again, by that rationale, Trump should be long gone from here.

What enemies of this country has Trump NOT aligned himself with?  He supports the flying of the Confederate flag and the preservation of confederate monuments, which glorify a group of individuals who were willing to renounce citizenship in this country; a group founded-by its own admissions-upon principles opposite to the U.S. Constitution those of you on the right so reflexively yammer about revering; a group that took up arms against American troops, ultimately costing over 600,000 American lives.

He supported the "very fine people" of Charlottesville, who flew Confederate flags and Nazi flags.  For those of you who conveniently choose to forget, this country was at war with the Nazis between 1941-1945.  By the way, the Nazis were coalesced around anti semitism, as evidenced by "some very fine people" of Charlottesville who chanted "Jews will not replace us."

He bends over backwards to fellate Putin, former head of the KGB, the CIA equivalent of this country's biggest 20th century adversary, the former Soviet Union. His relations with Russians is unlike any U.S. president that came before him.  Furthermore, he engaged-without preconditions-one of the last remaining communist countries in the world-North Korea, who joined the Soviet union in opposing the United States, to the point where they went to war against us.

The fact is, this country was founded on dissent.  Some of the greatest moments in this country involved reasoned, passionate debate over genuine philosophical/political differences on how best to govern this country.  The First Amendment of the Constitution guarantees the right to free speech thusly, in relevant part:  "Congress shall make no law...or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;  or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for the redress of grievances." There is nothing in Article II that negates this, or for that matter, the rights of members of Congress to criticize sitting presidents.   There are any number of Supreme court cases that have the most eloquent advocacy of policy-in majority and dissenting opinion-you will ever see.  As distasteful, misguided, myopic, and yes, bigoted as I find many takes on the right, without question I affirm your rights to voice those views without having to excuse yourself from the country.  How dare this egotistical and bigoted [BLEEP] stain invite anyone who dares to disagree with him to leave the country?!?  If his policies are the right ones, he should have no problem defending the logic of them to his critics.  Instead, he divides this country again along racial and ethnic lines with his blatant hypocrisy and betrays the traditions that made this country great.  As many times as the right accused former President Obama of being a dictator, not once did he try to get his critics to leave the country because they dared disagree with him.  Not once did he call Fox news and other right leaning media "the enemy of the people."

May Trump rot in hell.
Bullseye, are you one of those people who believe the Battle Standard of the Norther Virginia Army is indeed the confederate flag because that’s what they are told by CNN and every other race pandering leftist out there.

Point is, just because something is said to be racist by your peers doesn’t mean it is. 

Trump is not telling these people to leave because they disagree with him or the fact that they are different skin color but because they do not value this country and [BLEEP] on it every chance they get.

Look at Omar’s words on 9/11, if her verbiage doesn’t bother you but Trump’s does.... the issue lies with you.

The far left Has divided this country with their race baiting, it’s cool to be anti-America bull crap.

People like me are getting tired of race being involved with everything and being called “racist” or every other adjective because our view point is different.
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#69

(07-16-2019, 12:10 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(07-16-2019, 11:56 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: If you put character ahead of policy you are not really voting for the well being of your country. There are no politicians of good character anyway, it's just a matter of degree. Clinton was an actual rapist, but the country did better under him than under Bush or Obama. Would you really rather have war and/or economic malaise if it meant that the best character guy was in charge?

Vote for good people, and the rest will take care of itself.

Umm, ahem, Jimmy Carter...
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#70

(07-16-2019, 01:24 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(07-16-2019, 01:08 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: Thank you Trumpettes! Your never-ending efforts to turn yourselves into pretzels while trying to convince us that black is white and up is down is a tremendous source of amusement. Trump has been sending signals to White America for thirty years and it's clear the message has been received loud and clear. Some of you are too politically correct to admit it, so you spend time parsing Donald's tweets and trying to convince us that it's not about race at all!

Don't us realize how stupid you look? How pathetic? Just say what you mean. Let's change the Republican Party to The White Middle-Aged Male Party (for those who pretend to want small government conservatism but really just looking for s strong Daddy).

You'll feel so much better about yourselves if you'll come clean. Clearly you'll sell out for pretty much anything.

Parsing Donald's tweets are exactly what your MSM is doing. Showing words to support their narrative.

lol ... this from a guy who calls M. Obama a tranny. But you're not a racist. Do you really think you're kidding anyone? And I'm sure you had no issue with the guy who called M. Obama an ape. I guess you're too dense to see it, but you're real transparent.

We get it. You can be bought. Was the thirty pieces of silver worth it?
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#71

(07-16-2019, 02:48 PM)Adam2012 Wrote:
(07-16-2019, 01:24 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Parsing Donald's tweets are exactly what your MSM is doing. Showing words to support their narrative.

lol ... this from a guy who calls M. Obama a tranny. But you're not a racist. Do you really think you're kidding anyone? And I'm sure you had no issue with the guy who called M. Obama an ape. I guess you're too dense to see it, but you're real transparent.

We get it. You can be bought. Was the thirty pieces of silver worth it?

You are all over the place. Saying someone looks like a transsexual is being racist? Can we officially say you and your people have destroyed the meaning of the word?

There are meds out there for your problem. Just thought you should know.
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#72

I think a few people on here and much of the country as a whole are missing a few key points.

First, the democrat party was already imploding with the fights within (Pelosi vs. the children).  When Nancy Pelosi seems to be the "reasonable one" in the democrat party you know just how far left they have gone.  I think President Trump hurt himself by injecting himself into this fight.  Now instead of the democrat party falling apart the focus has turned to him.

Second, while I don't necessarily agree with how The President worded his tweets and how he has commented regarding them one thing comes to mind that is glossed over.  Those on the far left can "tweet" or say anything about him no matter how false or insulting it is and they get a pass.  President Trump fights back using their tactics and gets called out for it.  I agree that if someone hates this country so much they are free to leave at any time.  What I disagree with is the "where you came from" statement.

Third the job of the executive branch is to enforce the law of the land under The Constitution.  This President has been doing it to the best of his ability.  The job of the legislative branch is to write laws and manage the budget, yet instead they have been holding constant "hearings" that have nothing to do with their job.  Their only goal is to "investigate" The President and do whatever they can to create the illusion that he has somehow broken the law and should be impeached.


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#73

(07-16-2019, 02:57 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(07-16-2019, 02:48 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: lol ... this from a guy who calls M. Obama a tranny. But you're not a racist. Do you really think you're kidding anyone? And I'm sure you had no issue with the guy who called M. Obama an ape. I guess you're too dense to see it, but you're real transparent.

We get it. You can be bought. Was the thirty pieces of silver worth it?

You are all over the place. Saying someone looks like a transsexual is being racist? Can we officially say you and your people have destroyed the meaning of the word?

There are meds out there for your problem. Just thought you should know.

Hey, whatever you have to tell yourself. Donald has you in his pocket, so does it really matter what you claim? Your credibility went out the door long ago. You are here strictly for amusement purposes only.

I do find it funny how you used to claim to be a small-government conservative. You don't even try that sham anymore, do you?
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#74

Plenty of time between now and November 2020 for more Democratic infighting. Trump is just planting the seed to link whomever the Democratic candidate is to these 4 America hating congresswomen.

Just imagine how bad it's going to be if Sleepy Joe gets the bid.
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(This post was last modified: 07-16-2019, 03:21 PM by Adam2012.)

(07-16-2019, 03:04 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: I think a few people on here and much of the country as a whole are missing a few key points.

First, the democrat party was already imploding with the fights within (Pelosi vs. the children).  When Nancy Pelosi seems to be the "reasonable one" in the democrat party you know just how far left they have gone.  I think President Trump hurt himself by injecting himself into this fight.  Now instead of the democrat party falling apart the focus has turned to him.

Second, while I don't necessarily agree with how The President worded his tweets and how he has commented regarding them one thing comes to mind that is glossed over.  Those on the far left can "tweet" or say anything about him no matter how false or insulting it is and they get a pass.  President Trump fights back using their tactics and gets called out for it.  I agree that if someone hates this country so much they are free to leave at any time.  What I disagree with is the "where you came from" statement.

Third the job of the executive branch is to enforce the law of the land under The Constitution.  This President has been doing it to the best of his ability.  The job of the legislative branch is to write laws and manage the budget, yet instead they have been holding constant "hearings" that have nothing to do with their job.  Their only goal is to "investigate" The President and do whatever they can to create the illusion that he has somehow broken the law and should be impeached.

 You try so hard to make Donald the victim. It ain't working.

(07-16-2019, 03:15 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Plenty of time between now and November 2020 for more Democratic infighting. Trump is just planting the seed to link whomever the Democratic candidate is to these 4 America hating congresswomen.

Just imagine how bad it's going to be if Sleepy Joe gets the bid.

Trying to link whomever the nominee will be to these 4 elected officials by making yourself look like a racist! Brilliant! That will pull in a lot of undecideds. It's not like a guy who got fewer votes than Hillary Clinton couldn't use a few more this time around. What a genius of a politician.
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#76

(07-16-2019, 03:15 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Plenty of time between now and November 2020 for more Democratic infighting. Trump is just planting the seed to link whomever the Democratic candidate is to these 4 America hating congresswomen.

Just imagine how bad it's going to be if Sleepy Joe gets the bid.

Give it a week, and they'll be back to tearing each other down. Trump can guarantee a 2020 victory by just pushing forward and not playing the Democrat game. For most, it is quite obvious the Dems have no legislative platform and are just trying to buy votes every way possible. Free this, free that. Open borders. No census citizenship question. Free immigrant healthcare, regardless of status. Sanctuary cities with per diem. Andrew Gillum buying votes. Shoot, you'd think the black vote would be running towards the GOP since the Dems have cast them aside for so long. But then again, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Going strong since 1876.
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(This post was last modified: 07-16-2019, 03:40 PM by StroudCrowd1.)

(07-16-2019, 03:17 PM)Adam2012 Wrote:
(07-16-2019, 03:04 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: I think a few people on here and much of the country as a whole are missing a few key points.

First, the democrat party was already imploding with the fights within (Pelosi vs. the children).  When Nancy Pelosi seems to be the "reasonable one" in the democrat party you know just how far left they have gone.  I think President Trump hurt himself by injecting himself into this fight.  Now instead of the democrat party falling apart the focus has turned to him.

Second, while I don't necessarily agree with how The President worded his tweets and how he has commented regarding them one thing comes to mind that is glossed over.  Those on the far left can "tweet" or say anything about him no matter how false or insulting it is and they get a pass.  President Trump fights back using their tactics and gets called out for it.  I agree that if someone hates this country so much they are free to leave at any time.  What I disagree with is the "where you came from" statement.

Third the job of the executive branch is to enforce the law of the land under The Constitution.  This President has been doing it to the best of his ability.  The job of the legislative branch is to write laws and manage the budget, yet instead they have been holding constant "hearings" that have nothing to do with their job.  Their only goal is to "investigate" The President and do whatever they can to create the illusion that he has somehow broken the law and should be impeached.

 You try so hard to make Donald the victim. It ain't working.

(07-16-2019, 03:15 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Plenty of time between now and November 2020 for more Democratic infighting. Trump is just planting the seed to link whomever the Democratic candidate is to these 4 America hating congresswomen.

Just imagine how bad it's going to be if Sleepy Joe gets the bid.

Trying to link whomever the nominee will be to these 4 elected officials by making yourself look like a racist! Brilliant! That will pull in a lot of undecideds. It's not like a guy who got fewer votes than Hillary Clinton couldn't use a few more this time around. What a genius of a politician.

Someone needs a lesson in how the electoral college works. You better hope your boy Andrew Gillum can flip Florida blue, otherwise, unless the rust belt enjoys their industry going to shambles, DJT will be your president another 4 years, followed by Dan Crenshaw.

(07-16-2019, 03:30 PM)B2hibry Wrote:
(07-16-2019, 03:15 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Plenty of time between now and November 2020 for more Democratic infighting. Trump is just planting the seed to link whomever the Democratic candidate is to these 4 America hating congresswomen.

Just imagine how bad it's going to be if Sleepy Joe gets the bid.

Give it a week, and they'll be back to tearing each other down. Trump can guarantee a 2020 victory by just pushing forward and not playing the Democrat game. For most, it is quite obvious the Dems have no legislative platform and are just trying to buy votes every way possible. Free this, free that. Open borders. No census citizenship question. Free immigrant healthcare, regardless of status. Sanctuary cities with per diem. Andrew Gillum buying votes. Shoot, you'd think the black vote would be running towards the GOP since the Dems have cast them aside for so long. But then again, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Going strong since 1876.

Agree. A little poke and prod here and there to just remind Nancy that she is not the real speaker of the house will probably be fine.
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#78

At least you guys aren't triggered over shoes this week
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#79

First of all Bullseye let me start off by saying that you are a valued and respected member of this community.  I don't want to turn this discussion personal.  We can agree to disagree along political lines and it doesn't change the respect that I have for you as a valued member of our board.

(07-15-2019, 07:51 PM)Bullseye Wrote:
(07-15-2019, 03:34 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: I wouldn't exactly say "what everyone else is thinking", but a large number of people do think and feel the same way.  The comment was made towards the "children" in Congress, but it should have been more specific to the African.

Before anyone decides to call me "racist" for pointing out that Ilhan Omar is indeed African let's set the record straight.  There is only one race... that being the human race.  She is ethnically African.

The only reason that I said that the comment should have been directed to her specifically is because she and her family immigrated here (the right way mind you) because they wanted to be in a better place.  That's why most people that immigrate here want to do, yet she basically says that this country is not "good enough".

Two of the other three are children of migrants (that did it LEGALLY) from places that are in fact worse off than this country.  Puerto Rico (AOC) and "Palestine" (Rashida Tlaib).

I don't like or agree with President Trump's tweet, though I can certainly see where it was coming from.  It's certainly not "what I was thinking" regarding these children elected to Congress.

It just so happens the target of his rants happen to be women of color?

In this case, yes it did "just so happen" to be minority women.  One factor that you seem to overlook is the fact that they are young freshman members of Congress who happen to be very far left on the political spectrum.  His rant had nothing to do with their ethnicity and everything to do with how they have conducted themselves.

Spare me the nonsense about us being "human beings."  This country's history has treated "human beings" quite differently based upon skin color.  Omar is American.  Full fledged...wholly legalized American Citizen with all of the rights that flow from being a citizen-as are the other three Congresswomen to which he refers.  

While you might think that my belief that there is only one race, that being the human race is "nonsense", it's what I believe and how I was raised.  I don't speak for anyone else but myself regarding that.  Unlike the far left that practically preaches identity politics, I view people for who they are and the "content of their character rather than the color of their skin".

Where the hell does Trumo get off telling anyone-especially legal U.S. citizens-to leave the country, anyhow?  The fact he is urging these four United States citizens to leave the country almost as urgently as those in cages along the border shows that legal status is but flimsy pretext for those policies and proclamations.

President Trump clearly stated that if they or anyone else is unhappy with our country they are free to leave.  As far as the people in "cages" along the border, they are not being held against their will.  They can return to their country of origin at any time.  They are being detained because they broke the law by entering the country illegally.  Citizens every day are detained in "cages" (jail) for the same reason every day.

He mentioned that all they do is complain.  First off, when does criticizing the president constitute hatred of the country?!?  Under that tacit rationale, Trump should have exited stage right when he began his wholly baseless attacks on former President Obama, and should have taken the bigoted and intransigent fascists on the right with him.

The thing is yes they do complain and point out things that might be wrong, yet vote "no" on bills that would address the situation solely because it would be a "win" in their eyes for the current President.  Criticizing The President is one thing, but when falsely labeled and accused is a whole other thing.

He cites allegedly anti semitic and pro al Qaeda sentiments uttered by Omar as a basis for them to leave. Again, by that rationale, Trump should be long gone from here.

So by your comment I assume that you agree that Representative Omar did not utter anti-semitic and pro al Qaeda sentiments?  If so, why should President Trump be "long gone"?

What enemies of this country has Trump NOT aligned himself with?  He supports the flying of the Confederate flag and the preservation of confederate monuments, which glorify a group of individuals who were willing to renounce citizenship in this country; a group founded-by its own admissions-upon principles opposite to the U.S. Constitution those of you on the right so reflexively yammer about revering; a group that took up arms against American troops, ultimately costing over 600,000 American lives.

I also support the flying of the Confederate flag and the preservation of confederate monuments.  Like it or not it's a part of our country's history.  The Civil War is a whole other topic of conversation.

He supported the "very fine people" of Charlottesville, who flew Confederate flags and Nazi flags.  For those of you who conveniently choose to forget, this country was at war with the Nazis between 1941-1945.  By the way, the Nazis were coalesced around anti semitism, as evidenced by "some very fine people" of Charlottesville who chanted "Jews will not replace us."

He bends over backwards to fellate Putin, former head of the KGB, the CIA equivalent of this country's biggest 20th century adversary, the former Soviet Union. His relations with Russians is unlike any U.S. president that came before him.  Furthermore, he engaged-without preconditions-one of the last remaining communist countries in the world-North Korea, who joined the Soviet union in opposing the United States, to the point where they went to war against us.

He is on good terms with Prime Minister Putin which isn't necessarily a bad thing.  He is not "in bed" or "in collusion" with him as much as the MSM would have you believe.  President Trump is the leader of our country and Prime Minister Putin is the leader of Russia.  Our President should have good relations with him.  It's called "diplomacy".

Regarding North Korea the call from the left has always been "diplomacy" yet those on the left including yourself criticize him for improving relations and attempting to solve differences diplomatically rather than going to war.  Rather than celebrate a historic act there is nothing but criticisim and the far left alleging that he is "with" them. It's a far greater act than any President before him ever achieved.


The fact is, this country was founded on dissent.  Some of the greatest moments in this country involved reasoned, passionate debate over genuine philosophical/political differences on how best to govern this country.  The First Amendment of the Constitution guarantees the right to free speech thusly, in relevant part:  "Congress shall make no law...or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;  or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for the redress of grievances." There is nothing in Article II that negates this, or for that matter, the rights of members of Congress to criticize sitting presidents.   There are any number of Supreme court cases that have the most eloquent advocacy of policy-in majority and dissenting opinion-you will ever see.  As distasteful, misguided, myopic, and yes, bigoted as I find many takes on the right, without question I affirm your rights to voice those views without having to excuse yourself from the country.  How dare this egotistical and bigoted [BLEEP] stain invite anyone who dares to disagree with him to leave the country?!?  If his policies are the right ones, he should have no problem defending the logic of them to his critics.  Instead, he divides this country again along racial and ethnic lines with his blatant hypocrisy and betrays the traditions that made this country great.  As many times as the right accused former President Obama of being a dictator, not once did he try to get his critics to leave the country because they dared disagree with him.  Not once did he call Fox news and other right leaning media "the enemy of the people."

As far as the part of your comment that I highlighted in blue let me say this.  I happen to be one of those people "on the right".  Please explain to me how my core values of "God, Family, Country" are "distasteful, misguided, myopic and bigoted".  President Trump's policy of defending our border follows The Constitution which he swore to protect and defend.  He shouldn't have to "defend" the fact that he is enforcing the law.  His invitation to anyone that isn't happy with our country is welcome to leave isn't about "him" or "his policy" , it's about our current policy in place and enforced by many presidents before him including President Obama.

As far as dividing the country along ethnic lines, that pretty much happened under President Obama.  Many strides were made as far as that goes and it seems to me like the "fire" started up again around 2010 or so.


May Trump rot in hell.

Again Bullseye I don't mean anything personal.  I respect you and value your opinion as a member of this community.  I welcome open debate and discussion as long as we keep it civil, honest and stay away from the "name calling" and accusations (ie. "racist", "bigot" "xenophobe").  I have never met you personally but I am assuming that perhaps you are a black man.  Please correct me if I am wrong about that.  I personally am a Hispanic male in my 50's closer to 60.  I do have conservative values and am not afraid to say so.  Let's discuss it and let the other members of our community chime in.


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(07-15-2019, 08:23 PM)Bullseye Wrote:
(07-15-2019, 04:39 PM)Kane Wrote: Oh geez
Racists! Racists! Everywhere!

That word has almost no meaning anymore since you people like to throw it around so willy nilly.

And by "you people" I mean, wimpy little snowflakes (regardless of political affiliation)

There were laws in this country governing things as mundane as:
  • Where people of color could live
  • whom people of color could marry
  • into what entrances people of color could enter
  • from what water fountains people of color could drink
  • Where people of color could be after sundown
  • what hospitals could treat people of color
  • what schools/colleges/universities people of color could attend
  • where people of color could sit in theaters, diners and other establishments-if allowed in
  • under what circumstances people of color could serve on juries
    and countless other areas.  This doesn't even get into laws that are facially race neutral but with discriminatory effect, nor does this get into the private practices and societal norms otherwise not codified in the law.  So committed was the South to those repugnant principles and practices, they were willing to secede from this country.
These laws persisted throughout this country's history until the 1960s and 70s.  These laws could not persist without the assent of the majority-actual or tacit.  When these laws were changed, the people who supported those unjust laws and practices didn't just disappear.  Many passed their bigotry down to their kids, and worked to weaken the new laws designed to promote equality.  If laws against speeding-which have well known and tangible penalties for violating them-are routinely ignored by those not inclined to obey them, what of those laws that endeavor to enforce equality?  

If you are tired of hearing about racism, trust me when I tell you people of color are tired of experiencing it.  If you personally do not support the tenets of bigotry, then speak out against those who perpetuate it.  If,as I suspect you do, then prepare for the fallout of your hatred, which includes substantial rejection in the marketplace of ideas.

I'm tired of crybabies calling racism every time a white person says something they don't like to a "person of color"
So long as people keep identifying themselves by their skin color, there will always be race issues.

All of the stuff you talk about that used to be laws, aren't anymore.... It is certainly time to move on from things that happened 50 plus years ago.
Not to mention moving on from the bad things generations hundreds of years ago did.

Should Trump say these things? Probably not. But let's stop pretending these terrible women are victims of anything.
Let's stop pretending that people born non white are automatically maligned and segregated and mistreated.
You can only be a victim of your circumstance for so long.

I don't condone racism, bigotry, or the general non acceptance of people who live different lifestyles and have different beliefs (gays, amish, muslims, whatever)
But I also don't really care what anyone says. And to think that hatred is worse for some than it is for others is laughable. To think "people of color" aren't racists to white people on the daily is naive at best and stupid at the more realistic.

But whatever, you guys can all keep squirming, whining and complaining over every little tweet and NBC news story for the next 5 years or so.
These 4 "champions" that decided to hold a press conference to drive home their BS racism claims are just as guilty as anyone for being divisive.

Identify politics ladies and gents. It'll make losers of us all.

What Trump said was inaccurate (going back to where they came from) and maybe even mildly ignorant (who exactly is surprised by anything he says anymore?!)
But my point is... that today Muslims, Blacks, women, etc are all treated better than ever before in history. And there are still some strides to be made but that is hindered every time they use their race,  sex, or orientation or religion to further drive a wedge between people.

And it is tenfold on a message board where the only purpose is for people to argue, complain, point fingers, and call names (and scream RACIST!)
So please, carry on, all of you that think you're better than someone else because it hurts your feelings when people say mean things.

I know what I am, and what I'm not. Despite the many cries of mikesez, Adam2012, and the rest of the bib brigade.
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