(07-18-2019, 03:00 PM)Caldrac Wrote: (07-18-2019, 02:47 PM)JackCity Wrote: He's been an above average QB since he came into the league by pretty much every relevant point you want to look at.
And yes Zeke is absolutely elite , but positions also have levels of value. You aren't going to pay him like a prime pass rusher because it isn't as valuable. So that leaves us with what will you pay him? Given his multi faceted role I'd be happy to make him 8 million or so , but I'm not gonna give him what the Rams gave Gurley for instance. There's so much talent at the position and it's so dependent on Oline play that I'd rather spend elsewhere.
Amari Cooper is a lot more valuable than Zeke, so is Dak and several linemen.
Elliot is right on par with Gurley. Maybe even better at times. Prescott has overachieved. I won't take that away from him. Sometimes being a game manager isn't a bad deal. I think value is relative to each individual team and how they approach the game. If you have a QB like Tom Brady and you run a RB by committee policy you won't value a RB as much as say a team such as ours here in Jacksonville where we've always prided ourselves on being able to run it at will.
We went so long with such depletion and lack luster ability at the position that they decided to draft Fournette (for better or worse) as highly as they did a few years ago. The Cowboys obviously valued Elliot enough to take him as high they did. Which is something they haven't done since I believe Emmitt Smith at the position.
The idea though that you can just throw anybody behind Dallas' line and expect 2,000+ yards of total offense to be picked-up by Prescott and Cooper is a tall order to ask and fulfill. Even if you got a Joe Blow at RB that scrapped up 900 - 1100 yards you would still be relying on a QB that's yet been asked or demanded of to throw for well over 4,000 yards in a season and therefore put more pressure on himself in the pocket and his pass protection up front.
I know, I just wouldn't pay Gurley that deal either. I mean we've already seen Dak duking it out with Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs , that's not something a game manager does. He's more than that.
I'm not one of those "RBs dont have any effect" zealots. There's a marked difference in the effect someone like Zeke has on the defense Vs say Lamar Miller, it's just not worth the difference in price for me.
When the Cowboys had to use backups without Zeke they had comparable rate stats because their line was still great. Build a good line and you can just plug in RBs and achieve good production and efficiency (look at the Steelers).+ You have one of the best rushing QBs in the game.
