(10-25-2019, 01:07 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(10-25-2019, 01:03 PM)ferocious Wrote: I am visualizing a flow chart.

I think climate change denialists often retreat into the stance that they don't like the solutions to the problem.  But that's not really the question, is it?  The first question is, is it real, and the second question is, what are you willing to do about it.  

It's like a guy is standing in the road, and you tell him there is an oncoming car, he better get out of the road.  And his answer is, I don't want to get out of the road, therefore, there is no oncoming car.

Some people seem to think that if they accept the science, they have to accept a whole set of proposed solutions.  So they deny the science, in order to avoid whatever draconian solutions they imagine.

Yes, but it's more complicated than that. For those that refute or deny the science, their solution is to do nothing. So they get pissed off by congress dictating what they have to do to address a problem that they feel does not exist.

Ironically, those that see a valid threat, often get pissed off by those same proposed mandated solutions, in whole or in part, for various reasons. Some of the rules are overbearing, some are viewed as inconsequential or of little help.

My personal point of view is that the problem does exist, and while I am hopeful for a viable solution, but am unsure what that is. So though I feel that we need action on a global level as well as in a personal one, I don't know what that means exactly, what it should look like. I think that you are correct in saying that the solution starts at home. I think that Caldrac is correct that there is a lot of hypocrisy to be found. I feel that we can do more. I am not predisposed to panic on the issue, as some are. But I do feel as though it is time for action. What that means exactly, I don't know. Separating plastic and metal, paper and plastic into bins by itself simply will not get the job done. It doesn't even get at the root of the problem, which is excessive amounts of carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide in our atmosphere. We must do more. So dialog is good, in fact it's pretty great. But we must try to figure out somehow, that dialog in and of itself does nothing. So the flow chart keeps on circling around on itself. I think it is time for us to ask ourselves the question, calmly, methodically, expediently and without delay:

NOW  WHAT?

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