LOL it just keeps getting better and better...... Marrone you're a [BLEEP] idiot..

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I wouldn't  put it passed Ramsey to go AWOL,if he isn't traded. I just think that's the kind of guy he is. He saw what A.B. did and he thinks he will get the same outcome. We're between a rock and a hard place, because the front office failed to see the immense shortcomings of this coaching staff and now the relationship between our star player and our team could be irreparably damaged. Whatever the case, we cannot get so frustrated that we take a low ball offer just to make the problem go away. Jalen Ramsey is not Minkah Fitzpatrick. He is infinitely better and would command much more than a single first round pick. I'm scared to death, this front office is going to take a low ball offer just to make this issue go away. If they do, we need to show them our displeasure by not going to games and not even watching on TV. Hopefully, this problem gets worked out and Ramsey and the Jags can stay together, but something tells me that's not gonna happen.

If this FO doesn't come away with AT LEAST two 1st round picks, Khan better walk in and fire them on the spot. Tunsil netted two 1sts and a 2nd and he isn't even half the player that Ramsey is.

The reason Tunsil netted so much is because he is a young, promising LT. Left Tackles are a premium position in the NFL and next to QB, have the highest value to teams. They saw Tunsil as having the possibility of being an elite LT in the next 3 years. If he turns into that, well they made a good deal. If he is anything other than elite by that time, then they got hosed. I don't expect Ramsey to get that much in return, because CB's don't have the value of a LT. That's just the way the NFL is. I do expect us to get back at least two first round picks or a first, a third and a good, established player at a position of need or else there is no sense in trading him.

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If this FO doesn't come away with AT LEAST two 1st round picks, Khan better walk in and fire them on the spot. Tunsil netted two 1sts and a 2nd and he isn't even half the player that Ramsey is.

The reason Tunsil netted so much is because he is a young, promising LT. Left Tackles are a premium position in the NFL and next to QB, have the highest value to teams. They saw Tunsil as having the possibility of being an elite LT in the next 3 years. If he turns into that, well they made a good deal. If he is anything other than elite by that time, then they got hosed. I don't expect Ramsey to get that much in return, because CB's don't have the value of a LT. That's just the way the NFL is. I do expect us to get back at least two first round picks or a first, a third and a good, established player at a position of need or else there is no sense in trading him.

It's a pass happy league.. Elite Corners are just as valuable, they're in the top 4 prime positions.

QB
Pass Rusher
OT
CB

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Then as fans, we need to stop going to games or following the team. That's the only leverage we have to show them that things need to change. I'm tired of our team doing the same things over and over with a failing result. Coaching re-treads rarely work. We need a young, offensive minded head coach who can get the offense on par with the talent we have on defense and an aggressive DC who recognizes the talent we have on defense and uses that talent in the right schemes.

Kellen Moore for HC

Not the worst idea, although he is a little green. I'd rather have Kansas City OC Eric Bieniemy.

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Kellen Moore for HC

Not the worst idea, although he is a little green. I'd rather have Kansas City OC Eric Bieniemy.

He might have the title of OC, but lets be real... Andy Reid is the one who's running that show.

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The reason Tunsil netted so much is because he is a young, promising LT. Left Tackles are a premium position in the NFL and next to QB, have the highest value to teams. They saw Tunsil as having the possibility of being an elite LT in the next 3 years. If he turns into that, well they made a good deal. If he is anything other than elite by that time, then they got hosed. I don't expect Ramsey to get that much in return, because CB's don't have the value of a LT. That's just the way the NFL is. I do expect us to get back at least two first round picks or a first, a third and a good, established player at a position of need or else there is no sense in trading him.

It's a pass happy league.. Elite Corners are just as valuable, they're in the top 4 prime positions.

QB
Pass Rusher
OT
CB

But the drop from OT to CB is significant enough that there is a difference in value. I'd also argue that LT would be above pass rusher and RT would be significantly below CB. Lumping LT and RT together is a little misleading. Unless you have a left handed QB, LT is a much more prized position than RT.

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Wasn't that long ago he tweeted he wishes he could play with Jack and Ngakoue in Jax his whole career. There is definitely a lot more going on behind the scenes, and I would bet anything the entire defense feels massively disrespected by Marrone going for 2 in a defensive game. One which your own defense is flat out dominating and to be honest probably has a better shot of creating a turnover and winning the game than the offense does of going down the field again and scoring. I understand that last drive was very nice, but it was the ONLY real drive they mustered up in 60 minutes.

Imagine post game, Marrone is trying to give a post game speech and honestly trying to look at his defense and say... "Well guys, thought I'd go for the win with our 6th round rookie QB and 3nette! Didn't work so lets just get our lunchbox bologna sandwiches and get to work this week. Going to be a quick week we got Titans on Thursday.". Imagine how disrespected as a group they probably felt. Wouldn't be surprised to hear more rumblings soon.

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Not the worst idea, although he is a little green. I'd rather have Kansas City OC Eric Bieniemy.

He might have the title of OC, but lets be real... Andy Reid is the one who's running that show.

I agree, but that doesn't mean he isn't there sucking up all that knowledge and learning how to put together a winning franchise. You learn a lot being around a winner 24/7. He's learning what plays to call and what not to call and what kind of personnel it takes to fit a winning scheme. Gimme a guy with that kind of knowledge any day of the week over what we have.

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Wasn't that long ago he tweeted he wishes he could play with Jack and Ngakoue in Jax his whole career. There is definitely a lot more going on behind the scenes, and I would bet anything the entire defense feels massively disrespected by Marrone going for 2 in a defensive game. One which your own defense is flat out dominating and to be honest probably has a better shot of creating a turnover and winning the game than the offense does of going down the field again and scoring. I understand that last drive was very nice, but it was the ONLY real drive they mustered up in 60 minutes.

Imagine post game, Marrone is trying to give a post game speech and honestly trying to look at his defense and say... "Well guys, thought I'd go for the win with our 6th round rookie QB and 3nette! Didn't work so lets just get our lunchbox bologna sandwiches and get to work this week. Going to be a quick week we got Titans on Thursday.". Imagine how disrespected as a group they probably felt. Wouldn't be surprised to hear more rumblings soon.

They went straight down the field on their last two drives, thanks to Minshew. 61 yard drive that ended in a field goal, then a 68 yard drive that ended in the TD.

But no Marrone had to take the ball out of the hands of Minshew, who was red hot and give it to one of the worst RBs in the NFL on that 2pt attempt. I have no doubts they win that game if they keep the ball in Minshew's hands and let him make the play.

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He might have the title of OC, but lets be real... Andy Reid is the one who's running that show.

I agree, but that doesn't mean he isn't there sucking up all that knowledge and learning how to put together a winning franchise. You learn a lot being around a winner 24/7. He's learning what plays to call and what not to call and what kind of personnel it takes to fit a winning scheme. Gimme a guy with that kind of knowledge any day of the week over what we have.

But we don't have Mahomes..

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Wasn't that long ago he tweeted he wishes he could play with Jack and Ngakoue in Jax his whole career. There is definitely a lot more going on behind the scenes, and I would bet anything the entire defense feels massively disrespected by Marrone going for 2 in a defensive game. One which your own defense is flat out dominating and to be honest probably has a better shot of creating a turnover and winning the game than the offense does of going down the field again and scoring. I understand that last drive was very nice, but it was the ONLY real drive they mustered up in 60 minutes.

Imagine post game, Marrone is trying to give a post game speech and honestly trying to look at his defense and say... "Well guys, thought I'd go for the win with our 6th round rookie QB and 3nette! Didn't work so lets just get our lunchbox bologna sandwiches and get to work this week. Going to be a quick week we got Titans on Thursday.". Imagine how disrespected as a group they probably felt. Wouldn't be surprised to hear more rumblings soon.

They went straight down the field on their last two drives, thanks to Minshew. 61 yard drive that ended in a field goal, then a 68 yard drive that ended in the TD.

But no Marrone had to take the ball out of the hands of Minshew, who was red hot and give it to one of the worst RBs in the NFL on that 2pt attempt. I have no doubts they win that game if they keep the ball in Minshew's hands and let him make the play.

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I agree, but that doesn't mean he isn't there sucking up all that knowledge and learning how to put together a winning franchise. You learn a lot being around a winner 24/7. He's learning what plays to call and what not to call and what kind of personnel it takes to fit a winning scheme. Gimme a guy with that kind of knowledge any day of the week over what we have.

But we don't have Mahomes..

Agreed, but maybe having a coach like that, he could help find someone cut from the same cloth as Mahomes to run his offense. I'm not saying someone better or equal to Mahomes, because frankly I don't know if that exists, but someone who could be a very good NFL QB in his system.

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LOL it just keeps getting better and better...... Marrone you're a [BLEEP] idiot..

https://twitter.com/LaurieFitzptrck/stat...6500543488

Nah his explanation made sense. It was a 3 yard gain

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LOL it just keeps getting better and better...... Marrone you're a [BLEEP] idiot..

https://twitter.com/LaurieFitzptrck/stat...6500543488

Nah his explanation made sense. It was a 3 yard gain

It was 3rd down though.. That incompletion would have meant 4th down and the texans punt... Instead they go on to kick and make a FG 7 plays later.

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Nah his explanation made sense. It was a 3 yard gain

It was 3rd down though.. That incompletion would have meant 4th down and the texans punt... Instead they go on to kick and make a FG 7 plays later.

And it's still early in the game. I would have challenged but his reasoning made perfect sense , he's been the best coach in the league at winning challenges since he became a HC.

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It was 3rd down though.. That incompletion would have meant 4th down and the texans punt... Instead they go on to kick and make a FG 7 plays later.

And it's still early in the game. I would have challenged but his reasoning made perfect sense , he's been the best coach in the league at winning challenges since he became a HC.

That's a cool stat and all, but winning games is more important. He isn't doing that. 2-12 in the past 14 and it's looking like we're in for another double digit loss season.

It's like hyping up a QB's numbers from a game that they still lost by 20 points.

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Wasn't that long ago he tweeted he wishes he could play with Jack and Ngakoue in Jax his whole career. There is definitely a lot more going on behind the scenes, and I would bet anything the entire defense feels massively disrespected by Marrone going for 2 in a defensive game. One which your own defense is flat out dominating and to be honest probably has a better shot of creating a turnover and winning the game than the offense does of going down the field again and scoring. I understand that last drive was very nice, but it was the ONLY real drive they mustered up in 60 minutes.

Imagine post game, Marrone is trying to give a post game speech and honestly trying to look at his defense and say... "Well guys, thought I'd go for the win with our 6th round rookie QB and 3nette! Didn't work so lets just get our lunchbox bologna sandwiches and get to work this week. Going to be a quick week we got Titans on Thursday.". Imagine how disrespected as a group they probably felt. Wouldn't be surprised to hear more rumblings soon.

They went straight down the field on their last two drives, thanks to Minshew. 61 yard drive that ended in a field goal, then a 68 yard drive that ended in the TD.

But no Marrone had to take the ball out of the hands of Minshew, who was red hot and give it to one of the worst RBs in the NFL on that 2pt attempt. I have no doubts they win that game if they keep the ball in Minshew's hands and let him 

This is how I look at it. In the 2nd half.. the Texans largest drive was 30 yards. They punted the ball 4 times and scored 1 TD. That 1 TD was off a fumble from Minshew which gave the ball to the Texans at the 11 yard line. No way you can even consider faulting the defense there. Completely dominated the second half. The defense was on fire. First half, the Texans punted the ball 3 times and had 2 nice drives but only came away with 6 total points. 3 of which were the cause of Marrone not challenging a clear drop. Net to me is a total of 3 actual points given up by the defense. They were damn near shutting out the Texans in their place. The team is built around the defense, you can't disrespect them like that in that spot. 

The first drive in which Minshew drove down for a FG 39 yards were picked up by 3nette on short dinky passes. He did however connect on a beauty to Conley for 31, but I wouldn't really consider him on fire. The last drive was very nice, no doubt. It did take them 14 plays to get 63 yards, and got to remember Fournette BARELY got that 4th down. TBH if I recall the spot on 3rd down was pretty generous for us, and I think we all thought the refs were going to overturn Fournette getting that 1 yard on 4th down when O'brien challenged it. We also need to remember that the Oline was getting their [BLEEP] handed to them and Minshew had 3 fumbles. In a tight space, I'm going with the Texans D line against our O line. 

When I put that all together, IMO it's a no brainer you don't disrespect your defense who was shutting the Texans down and beating them up. Hell, maybe even Watson tries to go for something and we get a pick 6 and never even go into OT. I just think it was just a desperate attempt to claim "I'm big man on campus, I run this and I am going for 2 the hell with my defense."

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And it's still early in the game. I would have challenged but his reasoning made perfect sense , he's been the best coach in the league at winning challenges since he became a HC.

That's a cool stat and all, but winning games is more important. He isn't doing that. 2-12 in the past 14 and it's looking like we're in for another double digit loss season.

It's like hyping up a QB's numbers from a game that they still lost by 20 points.

I wanted Marrone fired last year so you aren't breaking any news there

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That's a cool stat and all, but winning games is more important. He isn't doing that. 2-12 in the past 14 and it's looking like we're in for another double digit loss season.

It's like hyping up a QB's numbers from a game that they still lost by 20 points.

I wanted Marrone fired last year so you aren't breaking any news there

Yea I know brother and he should have been. 

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I’m surprised so much of this board want to trade Ramsey as a result of this. He’s only saying what 99% of this board says week in week out..

I get about not having a player above the team etc. But if I was a generational talent I’d sure be annoyed about playing for a moron and a bad DC for 3 years as well.

I wonder how many times we’ve said to stop playing soft zone and now Ramsey does he should be traded?

Do you seriously think he hasn’t had numerous conversations with the coaches before this and seen nothing change?

I mean it’s not even like he’s said anything publicly he’s gone to the Jags FO and asked for a trade and someone there has probably leaked it.

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They went straight down the field on their last two drives, thanks to Minshew. 61 yard drive that ended in a field goal, then a 68 yard drive that ended in the TD.

But no Marrone had to take the ball out of the hands of Minshew, who was red hot and give it to one of the worst RBs in the NFL on that 2pt attempt. I have no doubts they win that game if they keep the ball in Minshew's hands and let him 

This is how I look at it. In the 2nd half.. the Texans largest drive was 30 yards. They punted the ball 4 times and scored 1 TD. That 1 TD was off a fumble from Minshew which gave the ball to the Texans at the 11 yard line. No way you can even consider faulting the defense there. Completely dominated the second half. The defense was on fire. First half, the Texans punted the ball 3 times and had 2 nice drives but only came away with 6 total points. 3 of which were the cause of Marrone not challenging a clear drop. Net to me is a total of 3 actual points given up by the defense. They were damn near shutting out the Texans in their place. The team is built around the defense, you can't disrespect them like that in that spot. 

The first drive in which Minshew drove down for a FG 39 yards were picked up by 3nette on short dinky passes. He did however connect on a beauty to Conley for 31, but I wouldn't really consider him on fire. The last drive was very nice, no doubt. It did take them 14 plays to get 63 yards, and got to remember Fournette BARELY got that 4th down. TBH if I recall the spot on 3rd down was pretty generous for us, and I think we all thought the refs were going to overturn Fournette getting that 1 yard on 4th down when O'brien challenged it. We also need to remember that the Oline was getting their [BLEEP] handed to them and Minshew had 3 fumbles. In a tight space, I'm going with the Texans D line against our O line. 

When I put that all together, IMO it's a no brainer you don't disrespect your defense who was shutting the Texans down and beating them up. Hell, maybe even Watson tries to go for something and we get a pick 6 and never even go into OT. I just think it was just a desperate attempt to claim "I'm big man on campus, I run this and I am going for 2 the hell with my defense."

There was nothing wrong with going for 2 points there. I even said during that last drive, that they should go for 2, if they get the TD.

It's the actual play call on that 2pt attempt that was stupid. As you just said, just a little bit prior, Fournette could barely get 1 yard on a 4th down attempt. I thought the game was over right there because I didn't think the refs would give it to us. It was really, really close, even after the generous 3rd down spot.

So what do they do? Go right back to Fournette on the biggest play of the game, when he didn't do anything rushing the football all game. He had what, 1 decent 19 (or something like that) yard run in which he just ran straight into Gipson and just fell over. Any half way decent RB takes it to the house and scores on that play.

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All right Upper make room on the wagon and let's get choppin'

If I'm Khan I'm sitting down with everybody very soon.

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