(09-17-2019, 10:17 AM)rfc17 Wrote:

(09-17-2019, 10:11 AM)Caldrac Wrote: When Telvin Smith sits out a year. Jalen Ramsey wants out. Ngakoue is unhappy with contract talks. Myles Jack gets ejected. Fournette throws punches and has a sit down in the off season and most of those guys are considered team "Captains".

You've lost a lot in that lockeroom. Just because the 2nd year players and new faces on offense [Who got paid up front] are being non vocal about it doesn't mean there's not a problem.

Marrone is simply not a good enough football coach to lead an entire football team in the NFL. I have seen enough. It's time to move on before we continue to lose more and more talent due to incompetent decision makers in the front office and coaching staff.

And I also DO NOT condone Ramsey's behavior. You can be disgruntled and behave with professionalism. Ngakoue is doing it correctly. But there's no winning in this situation. They'll have to shop Ramsey around now. He forced their hand unfortunately and most men are prideful.

Especially old New Yorkers like Marrone and Coughlin. It's bittersweet. But I believe they should ALL [Ramsey, Marrone, Wash, Caldwell & Coughlin] need to go after all of this nonsense.

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Have they lost the lockerroom or is the lockerroom full of headcases?  Nagkoue is the only true professional out of those players you listed.  He has done everything the right way but the team decided not to "overpay" for him.  Which I think is a mistake.  

But i do agree that all those people you listed need to go.  The coaches/front office were likely on their way out before this.  Khan has spent a ton of money and this team just isnt as good as it should be.  But you can't allow an immature player like Ramsey look like he won because this will only enable his personality in the future.  What will he do if he doesnt like the next coach?  Throw a bigger tantrum.  He needs to go.

I agree. It's certainly a two way street. But you can clearly see the writing on the wall as to why a lot of these guys with diva tendencies and ego's are acting up even further.

It's a culture for sure. It's tough to finger point at just one individual. But to me it seems like a clean break is needed to fully heal for the long term.

With Ramsey's situation we all lose here. We either get quality draft picks which may or may not have equal or better return value. Or, we let him sit and rot like the Steelers did with LeVeon Bell and essentially get diddly squat out of this circus in town.

At this point I would rather see them get a handful of high draft picks and look to set up a fresh faced General Manager and new coaching staff in 2020 for early success during a patch-up, not a rebuild, but a decent patch-up that should have them competitive by 2021 at the minimum.

It's just time. Marrone is a headcoach somewhere in between Jack Del Rio & Gus Bradley. Meaning, with subpar talent he might get you 7 - 8 wins and with elite talent during a down year with critical pieces missing on your opponent's roster he might get you 9 - 10 wins.

Just don't like him. Never did. I was beating on my chest for Bruce Arians years ago. I was dissapointed when he ended up in Tampa Bay this off season.

I am burned out on archaic, mundane and "throwback" approaches here in Jacksonville. It doesn't work in this era anymore. We lack innovation and we lack forward thinkers here in Jacksonville. And it's shown over the last 20 years.

[BLEEP] tired of it.

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