Talented players including Poz = one the best defenses this century.
Same players after Poz retired = disorganized mess.

He wasn't even a starter in 2017 and wasn't in the top 8 most important players on the defense.

The defenses where Poz had a prominent role were also awful

Both Telvin Smith and Myles Jack have talked about the positive and motivating influence Poz had on them. And those early defenses were always gonna be awful, unless you want to argue that guys like Derek Cox and Austen Lane are equivalent to Ramsey and Campbell.

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https://twitter.com/jeffrichadiha/status...6601018368

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" Two first rounders Dave? Really? Did you not see that pick six bounce of his numbers? ...And that interview? Cmon Man"

That's the minimum I would take. We're not gonna give away players.

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He wasn't even a starter in 2017 and wasn't in the top 8 most important players on the defense.

The defenses where Poz had a prominent role were also awful

Both Telvin Smith and Myles Jack have talked about the positive and motivating influence Poz had on them. And those early defenses were always gonna be awful, unless you want to argue that guys like Derek Cox and Austen Lane are equivalent to Ramsey and Campbell.

And that's exactly the point im making, the 2017 had great players at every level, that's what made it a great defense, not Poz. They had multiple all pros

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https://twitter.com/jeffrichadiha/status...6601018368

No one from any team is gonna show their cards at this time.

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No one from any team is gonna show their cards at this time.

I think it will be good for Ramsey to learn his true worth. It isn't as high as he wants it to be.

I hope they find a way to keep him or get 2 1sts for him.

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https://twitter.com/jeffrichadiha/status...6601018368

No one from any team is gonna show their cards at this time.

Yeah, I'm just helping to share tweets. Not saying I agree with the information necessarily.

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Both Telvin Smith and Myles Jack have talked about the positive and motivating influence Poz had on them. And those early defenses were always gonna be awful, unless you want to argue that guys like Derek Cox and Austen Lane are equivalent to Ramsey and Campbell.

And that's exactly the point im making, the 2017 had great players at every level, that's what made it a great defense, not Poz. They had multiple all pros

2018 had the same great players at every level, the only players that left after 2017 were Aaron Colvin and Poz. Yet somehow that defense was crap. Same players, same coaching, but somehow missing something.

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And that's exactly the point im making, the 2017 had great players at every level, that's what made it a great defense, not Poz. They had multiple all pros

2018 had the same great players at every level, the only players that left after 2017 were Aaron Colvin and Poz. Yet somehow that defense was crap. Same players, same coaching, but somehow missing something.

This whole argument is missing the fact that the offense was healthy and pretty good in 2017. Running the ball and getting early leads led to the defense balling.

Playing from behind this defense has always been suspect and the run D is hit or miss, and mostly miss.

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And that's exactly the point im making, the 2017 had great players at every level, that's what made it a great defense, not Poz. They had multiple all pros

2018 had the same great players at every level, the only players that left after 2017 were Aaron Colvin and Poz. Yet somehow that defense was crap. Same players, same coaching, but somehow missing something.

The offense was bottom 5 , so naturally the defense was going to be worse. Malik was injured, church fell off a cliff, Ramsey was injured..

More tape on the defense , tougher schedule, and also turnovers are naturally going to regress too


So yeah tons of reasons the defense wasn't as good independent from Poz. You're giving far too much credit to an old slow run stopper who was on the bench for a majority of defensive snaps in 2017

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And that's exactly the point im making, the 2017 had great players at every level, that's what made it a great defense, not Poz. They had multiple all pros

2018 had the same great players at every level, the only players that left after 2017 were Aaron Colvin and Poz. Yet somehow that defense was crap. Same players, same coaching, but somehow missing something.

Been saying it for years. It's the scheme. The defensive scheme. I posted the numbers last year but noone really responded to it, but we use a defensive scheme that literally 60% of the league uses and it really hurt us in 2018. In 2017 we were able to skate by mainly due to opponents faced and strong personnel. When we ran out the same defensive package, largely against teams that ran the same package themselves... well you saw the results.

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After seeing the press conference, here is my prediction. The front office sees there is little to no chance of extending Ramsey now. The relationship is completely severed. They have a choice. They can keep a disgruntled player this year, pick up his option in 2020, but he'll still be disgruntled and franchise him in 2021, but the first chance he gets, he's gonna leave and we'll just end up with a 3rd round compensation pick in return or they can trade him now for a king's ransom. I believe they choose option B. I see him traded possibly before the game on Thursday for two 1st round picks and a player. If not by then, by no later than the end of the month. I also predict his loss will cause the secondary to completely fall apart as well as the sack numbers will drop drastically as well. Marrone will be fired by the bye week, Defilippo will become interim HC and the entire organization will be in complete re-building mode in the next offseason with TC in charge of finding a new coaching staff.

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And that's exactly the point im making, the 2017 had great players at every level, that's what made it a great defense, not Poz. They had multiple all pros

2018 had the same great players at every level, the only players that left after 2017 were Aaron Colvin and Poz. Yet somehow that defense was crap. Same players, same coaching, but somehow missing something.

You're glossing over the competition that the Jags faced in 2017. Mariota x2, Brisettx2 on a terrible Colts team, Savagex2, Flacco, McCown, Dalton, Gabbert... I mean it was set up beautifully to win 10 games.

2018. Held Opponents to 20 or less 9 times.
2017. Held Opponents to 20 or less 11 times. 

It's actually remarkable how well the defense played last season given how awful the Jags offense was last year.

Poz was a great leader. No doubt. But to say the 2017 defense was good because of him is just not true.

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Yes please trade this Jags...

https://twitter.com/PFF_George/status/11...6011230208

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After seeing the press conference, here is my prediction. The front office sees there is little to no chance of extending Ramsey now. The relationship is completely severed. They have a choice. They can keep a disgruntled player this year, pick up his option in 2020, but he'll still be disgruntled and franchise him in 2021, but the first chance he gets, he's gonna leave and we'll just end up with a 3rd round compensation pick in return or they can trade him now for a king's ransom. I believe they choose option B. I see him traded possibly before the game on Thursday for two 1st round picks and a player. If not by then, by no later than the end of the month. I also predict his loss will cause the secondary to completely fall apart as well as the sack numbers will drop drastically as well. Marrone will be fired by the bye week, Defilippo will become interim HC and the entire organization will be in complete re-building mode in the next offseason with TC in charge of finding a new coaching staff.

That is pretty much the worst possible outcome imo

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Prediction: he'll stay right here, be re-signed. Team will probably finish near or below .500 which will be enough to get Marrone (and possibly Caldwell fired). Ramsey and Ngokue will be re-signed in the offseason, but Campbell, Dareus and Bouye will be cut.

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After seeing the press conference, here is my prediction. The front office sees there is little to no chance of extending Ramsey now. The relationship is completely severed. They have a choice. They can keep a disgruntled player this year, pick up his option in 2020, but he'll still be disgruntled and franchise him in 2021, but the first chance he gets, he's gonna leave and we'll just end up with a 3rd round compensation pick in return or they can trade him now for a king's ransom. I believe they choose option B. I see him traded possibly before the game on Thursday for two 1st round picks and a player. If not by then, by no later than the end of the month. I also predict his loss will cause the secondary to completely fall apart as well as the sack numbers will drop drastically as well. Marrone will be fired by the bye week, Defilippo will become interim HC and the entire organization will be in complete re-building mode in the next offseason with TC in charge of finding a new coaching staff.

Please no to TC being in charge. The game has passed him by.

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After seeing the press conference, here is my prediction. The front office sees there is little to no chance of extending Ramsey now. The relationship is completely severed. They have a choice. They can keep a disgruntled player this year, pick up his option in 2020, but he'll still be disgruntled and franchise him in 2021, but the first chance he gets, he's gonna leave and we'll just end up with a 3rd round compensation pick in return or they can trade him now for a king's ransom. I believe they choose option B. I see him traded possibly before the game on Thursday for two 1st round picks and a player. If not by then, by no later than the end of the month. I also predict his loss will cause the secondary to completely fall apart as well as the sack numbers will drop drastically as well. Marrone will be fired by the bye week, Defilippo will become interim HC and the entire organization will be in complete re-building mode in the next offseason with TC in charge of finding a new coaching staff.

Please no to TC being in charge. The game has passed him by.

Indeed.

Everyone is like "TC will look for new coach." or "TC will be interim coach"....

He showed up and we immediately drafted an out of date style RB, passed on "athletic/mobile/air raid" QBs, extended a lost cause "project", drafted a few meh players and essentially mishandled much of our star players contract situations.

TC needs to go just as much as Caldwell, Marrone, and Wash.

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2018 had the same great players at every level, the only players that left after 2017 were Aaron Colvin and Poz. Yet somehow that defense was crap. Same players, same coaching, but somehow missing something.

You're glossing over the competition that the Jags faced in 2017. Mariota x2, Brisettx2 on a terrible Colts team, Savagex2, Flacco, McCown, Dalton, Gabbert... I mean it was set up beautifully to win 10 games.

2018. Held Opponents to 20 or less 9 times.
2017. Held Opponents to 20 or less 11 times. 

It's actually remarkable how well the defense played last season given how awful the Jags offense was last year.

Poz was a great leader. No doubt. But to say the 2017 defense was good because of him is just not true.

what an awful scheme.

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After seeing the press conference, here is my prediction. The front office sees there is little to no chance of extending Ramsey now. The relationship is completely severed. They have a choice. They can keep a disgruntled player this year, pick up his option in 2020, but he'll still be disgruntled and franchise him in 2021, but the first chance he gets, he's gonna leave and we'll just end up with a 3rd round compensation pick in return or they can trade him now for a king's ransom. I believe they choose option B. I see him traded possibly before the game on Thursday for two 1st round picks and a player. If not by then, by no later than the end of the month. I also predict his loss will cause the secondary to completely fall apart as well as the sack numbers will drop drastically as well. Marrone will be fired by the bye week, Defilippo will become interim HC and the entire organization will be in complete re-building mode in the next offseason with TC in charge of finding a new coaching staff.

That is pretty much the worst possible outcome imo

I 110% agree, but it fits with the way things happen around here. I don't see any good outcome to this thing. Ramsey is the heart of the secondary. He makes other DB's around him better than they are. I believe the secondary falls apart if he's not out there. It's obvious, he no longer wants to be here. We could get a haul for him. Marrone has completely lost this team. He has to go. As much as I want TC gone too, I just don't see it happening. I believe he is Khan's "right hand man" for the long haul.

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Prediction: he'll stay right here, be re-signed. Team will probably finish near or below .500 which will be enough to get Marrone (and possibly Caldwell fired).  Ramsey and Ngokue will be re-signed in the offseason, but Campbell, Dareus and Bouye will be cut.

I don't see that happening at all.

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After seeing the press conference, here is my prediction. The front office sees there is little to no chance of extending Ramsey now. The relationship is completely severed. They have a choice. They can keep a disgruntled player this year, pick up his option in 2020, but he'll still be disgruntled and franchise him in 2021, but the first chance he gets, he's gonna leave and we'll just end up with a 3rd round compensation pick in return or they can trade him now for a king's ransom. I believe they choose option B. I see him traded possibly before the game on Thursday for two 1st round picks and a player. If not by then, by no later than the end of the month. I also predict his loss will cause the secondary to completely fall apart as well as the sack numbers will drop drastically as well. Marrone will be fired by the bye week, Defilippo will become interim HC and the entire organization will be in complete re-building mode in the next offseason with TC in charge of finding a new coaching staff.

Please no to TC being in charge. The game has passed him by.

I agree, but something tells me Khan doesn't view him the same way.

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