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#61

(01-16-2020, 10:12 PM)rollerjag Wrote:
(01-10-2020, 05:42 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: Contrary to popular belief, Donald Trump is not "far right" or really even "on the right" on the political spectrum.  He is actually closer to the center than most believe.  The problem with liberals is that somebody near the center of the political spectrum is viewed as being "far right".  I would almost wager that had Trump ran as a democrat he would have won anyway in 2016.

No [BLEEP] way, his racist obsession with Obama's birth status alone would have prevented Trump from sniffing a Democratic nomination.

Also, the right is just as guilty of accusing any Democrat of being Socialist.

Lol.  Didnt stop Hillary.  Do your homework next time.
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#62

(01-19-2020, 08:07 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(01-18-2020, 09:27 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: I've been telling you that for years.

But this was all in response to malabar's question.
Malabar, do you think most Republicans are socialists?

Yes. But we weren't talking about Republicans.

I used the word "wealth" as most people would understand it. You're spinning it into a specific narrow definition is typical Leftist. I shouldn't have expected anything else.



                                                                          

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#63

(01-19-2020, 08:07 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(01-18-2020, 09:27 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: I've been telling you that for years.

But this was all in response to malabar's question.
Malabar, do you think most Republicans are socialists?

(01-18-2020, 04:37 PM)jj82284 Wrote: This passes for reason in some circles.  

This is how national socialism survived.  It convinced people like this that it was something else.

National socialism survived by mercilessly destroying anyone who spoke against it.

You're right.  Cancel culture is the new brown shirt.  I knew ud get it!
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#64

(01-19-2020, 10:23 AM)jj82284 Wrote:
(01-19-2020, 08:07 AM)mikesez Wrote: But this was all in response to malabar's question.
Malabar, do you think most Republicans are socialists?


National socialism survived by mercilessly destroying anyone who spoke against it.

You're right.  Cancel culture is the new brown shirt.  I knew ud get it!

He connect dots that don't exist better than Byron does and misses clearly obvious facts like this one almost as if he's intentional about it. Which he mostly is by his own admission.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#65

(01-19-2020, 10:23 AM)jj82284 Wrote:
(01-19-2020, 08:07 AM)mikesez Wrote: But this was all in response to malabar's question.
Malabar, do you think most Republicans are socialists?


National socialism survived by mercilessly destroying anyone who spoke against it.

You're right.  Cancel culture is the new brown shirt.  I knew ud get it!

"I'm going to boycott corporations that advertise on your show" = "I'm going to pack you in a train and take you off to a gas chamber" 

Hey whatever man.
Just trying to keep score.
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#67

(01-19-2020, 05:16 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(01-19-2020, 10:23 AM)jj82284 Wrote: You're right.  Cancel culture is the new brown shirt.  I knew ud get it!

"I'm going to boycott corporations that advertise on your show" = "I'm going to pack you in a train and take you off to a gas chamber" 

Hey whatever man.
Just trying to keep score.

You uh, do know that's exactly how it started in the 1930s, yes? Of course you do, you just get your jollies off of being a contrarian.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#68

(01-19-2020, 05:16 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(01-19-2020, 10:23 AM)jj82284 Wrote: You're right.  Cancel culture is the new brown shirt.  I knew ud get it!

"I'm going to boycott corporations that advertise on your show" = "I'm going to pack you in a train and take you off to a gas chamber" 

Hey whatever man.
Just trying to keep score.

Go watch "conspiracy" it's an HBO original.  Call me when ur done.
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#69
(This post was last modified: 01-19-2020, 05:53 PM by mikesez.)

(01-19-2020, 05:43 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(01-19-2020, 05:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: "I'm going to boycott corporations that advertise on your show" = "I'm going to pack you in a train and take you off to a gas chamber" 

Hey whatever man.
Just trying to keep score.

You uh, do know that's exactly how it started in the 1930s, yes? Of course you do, you just get your jollies off of being a contrarian.

Hmmm.  Boycotts of advertisers.  Must have missed that part of my various European history classes.  Got an introductory course?

(01-19-2020, 05:46 PM)jj82284 Wrote:
(01-19-2020, 05:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: "I'm going to boycott corporations that advertise on your show" = "I'm going to pack you in a train and take you off to a gas chamber" 

Hey whatever man.
Just trying to keep score.

Go watch "conspiracy" it's an HBO original.  Call me when ur done.

it appears to be a dramatized history that starts in 1942, after all the Jews in Nazi held a territories were either in ghettos, camps, or hiding.
I thought we were talking about the early days of such a thing, such as the early 1930s?
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#70

U didnt watch it.... shaking my head. I tried.
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#71

Where did the Nuremberg laws come from? What was eugenic science? Was it purely anti-semitic or did it have other applications? How did that correlate to sexually adventurous women?

Let's take this in baby steps
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#72

(01-19-2020, 05:48 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(01-19-2020, 05:43 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: You uh, do know that's exactly how it started in the 1930s, yes? Of course you do, you just get your jollies off of being a contrarian.

Hmmm.  Boycotts of advertisers.  Must have missed that part of my various European history classes.  Got an introductory course?

(01-19-2020, 05:46 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Go watch "conspiracy" it's an HBO original.  Call me when ur done.

it appears to be a dramatized history that starts in 1942, after all the Jews in Nazi held a territories were either in ghettos, camps, or hiding.
I thought we were talking about the early days of such a thing, such as the early 1930s?

Man, I know you try to be the smartest guy in the room, but you really don't have to be so foolish.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#73
(This post was last modified: 01-19-2020, 08:35 PM by mikesez.)

(01-19-2020, 06:00 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Where did the Nuremberg laws come from?  What was eugenic science?  Was it purely anti-semitic or did it have other applications?  How did that correlate to sexually adventurous women?  

Let's take this in baby steps

I thought we were talking about if cancel culture could be a prelude to something like Nazism.

We both know the answers to your questions.

1) Nuremburg. But the idea that a Jew can not be a loyal citizen is almost as old as Judaism itself.  You find bad guys saying this in the books of Daniel and Esther in the Bible 
2) Eugenics is the idea that humans could be improved through selective breeding.  In the 1930s, people didn't know which traits were genetic and which were not.  They were guessing.  They also implemented this idea by forcibly sterilizing people, which is now considered a crime against humanity.
3) At least some of the Eugenicists were not anti-Semitic at all.  
4) in the US, poor or less intelligent women who were stereotyped as sexually adventurous or at least sexually compliant were targeted for forced sterilization by eugenicists.  Early on, these were usually black women.  Later, native women were targeted this way. While women are voluntarily sterilized every day in the US, let's hope it's not being done forcibly, here or anywhere, and fight people who propose it

So how does any of this tie back to cancel culture?
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#74

(01-19-2020, 08:00 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(01-19-2020, 06:00 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Where did the Nuremberg laws come from?  What was eugenic science?  Was it purely anti-semitic or did it have other applications?  How did that correlate to sexually adventurous women?  

Let's take this in baby steps

I thought we were talking about if cancel culture could be a prelude to something like Nazism.

We both know the answers to your questions.

1) Nuremburg. But the idea that a Jew can not be a loyal citizen is almost as old as Judaism itself.  You find bad guys saying this in the books of Daniel and Esther in the Bible 
2) Eugenics is the idea that humans could be improved through selective breeding.  In the 1930s, people didn't know which traits were genetic and which were not.  They were guessing.  They also implemented this idea by forcibly sterilizing people, which is now considered a crime against humanity.
3) At least some of the Eugenicists were not anti-Semitic at all.  
4) in the US, poor or less intelligent women who were stereotyped as sexually adventurous or at least sexually compliant were targeted for forced sterilization by eugenicists.  Early on, these were usually black women.  Later, native women were targeted this way. While women are voluntarily sterilized every day in the US, let's hope it's not being done forcibly, here or anywhere, and fight people who propose it

So how does any of this tie back to cancel culture?

The dehumanization of individuals. But you know all this.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#75

(01-19-2020, 10:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(01-19-2020, 08:00 PM)mikesez Wrote: I thought we were talking about if cancel culture could be a prelude to something like Nazism.

We both know the answers to your questions.

1) Nuremburg. But the idea that a Jew can not be a loyal citizen is almost as old as Judaism itself.  You find bad guys saying this in the books of Daniel and Esther in the Bible 
2) Eugenics is the idea that humans could be improved through selective breeding.  In the 1930s, people didn't know which traits were genetic and which were not.  They were guessing.  They also implemented this idea by forcibly sterilizing people, which is now considered a crime against humanity.
3) At least some of the Eugenicists were not anti-Semitic at all.  
4) in the US, poor or less intelligent women who were stereotyped as sexually adventurous or at least sexually compliant were targeted for forced sterilization by eugenicists.  Early on, these were usually black women.  Later, native women were targeted this way. While women are voluntarily sterilized every day in the US, let's hope it's not being done forcibly, here or anywhere, and fight people who propose it

So how does any of this tie back to cancel culture?

The dehumanization of individuals. But you know all this.

That's a really broad definition of dehumanizing.
Where I live, there's a Christian radio station. This is not about religion, just the tendency to fence out other views.  This radio station will play "you raise me up", but not the Josh Groban version. They will play "how far is heaven" but not the Los Lonely Boys version. Same words, same instruments. They play remakes by safe, outwardly Christian singers instead.  For them, artists that also sing about sketchy stuff or who don't have great life stories are "cancelled".  Whatever.  Let audiences cancel who they want and enjoy who they want. No one has a right to be a popular entertainer.
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#76

(01-19-2020, 11:13 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(01-19-2020, 10:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: The dehumanization of individuals. But you know all this.

That's a really broad definition of dehumanizing.
Where I live, there's a Christian radio station. This is not about religion, just the tendency to fence out other views.  This radio station will play "you raise me up", but not the Josh Groban version. They will play "how far is heaven" but not the Los Lonely Boys version. Same words, same instruments. They play remakes by safe, outwardly Christian singers instead.  For them, artists that also sing about sketchy stuff or who don't have great life stories are "cancelled".  Whatever.  Let audiences cancel who they want and enjoy who they want. No one has a right to be a popular entertainer.

Lol, clearly the same thing as doxxing, swatting, deplatforming, and the actual shootings of politicians by leftist wackos. Your stupid example? Nowhere did those Christian stations attack the other stations who did play those versions to force them not to play Groban. But you knew that, you're just desperate, diety only knows why, to create a moral equivalency that doesnt exist.
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#77

(01-20-2020, 07:48 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(01-19-2020, 11:13 PM)mikesez Wrote: That's a really broad definition of dehumanizing.
Where I live, there's a Christian radio station. This is not about religion, just the tendency to fence out other views.  This radio station will play "you raise me up", but not the Josh Groban version. They will play "how far is heaven" but not the Los Lonely Boys version. Same words, same instruments. They play remakes by safe, outwardly Christian singers instead.  For them, artists that also sing about sketchy stuff or who don't have great life stories are "cancelled".  Whatever.  Let audiences cancel who they want and enjoy who they want. No one has a right to be a popular entertainer.

Lol, clearly the same thing as doxxing, swatting, deplatforming, and the actual shootings of politicians by leftist wackos. Your stupid example? Nowhere did those Christian stations attack the other stations who did play those versions to force them not to play Groban. But you knew that, you're just desperate, diety only knows why, to create a moral equivalency that doesnt exist.


Yes, Steve Scalise got shot, but so did Gabrielle Giffords.  
In 1930s Germany, different political parties actually fought in the streets.  I definitely agree members of Congress getting shot is in that category.  Swatting probably does, too. But doxxing? Not sure.  Ajit Pai got doxxed and protestors showed up at his house for a week or two, but they weren't violent.  Deplatforming? Create your own platform. No one has a right to use YouTube or Patreon.
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#78

(01-19-2020, 08:00 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(01-19-2020, 06:00 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Where did the Nuremberg laws come from?  What was eugenic science?  Was it purely anti-semitic or did it have other applications?  How did that correlate to sexually adventurous women?  

Let's take this in baby steps

I thought we were talking about if cancel culture could be a prelude to something like Nazism.

We both know the answers to your questions.

1) Nuremburg. But the idea that a Jew can not be a loyal citizen is almost as old as Judaism itself.  You find bad guys saying this in the books of Daniel and Esther in the Bible 
2) Eugenics is the idea that humans could be improved through selective breeding.  In the 1930s, people didn't know which traits were genetic and which were not.  They were guessing.  They also implemented this idea by forcibly sterilizing people, which is now considered a crime against humanity.
3) At least some of the Eugenicists were not anti-Semitic at all.  
4) in the US, poor or less intelligent women who were stereotyped as sexually adventurous or at least sexually compliant were targeted for forced sterilization by eugenicists.  Early on, these were usually black women.  Later, native women were targeted this way. While women are voluntarily sterilized every day in the US, let's hope it's not being done forcibly, here or anywhere, and fight people who propose it

So how does any of this tie back to cancel culture?

I said that cancel culture were the new brownshirts, the mechanism used to stifle any opposition to centralized state policy.  

You then brought up the question, how is that anything to do with gas chambers.  

My point is that these are two aspects of the same national socialist policies that are actively being employed today by the american left.  

The Nuremberg laws?  They came from the united states left.  The segregation laws from the south were lifted and used against Jews instead of blacks.  

Eugenics and the belief in selective breeding is not uniquely anti semitic.  It's the general belief, for anyone willing to play god, that u can create a superior race of people through eliminating genetic undesirables.  

The most famous iamericab nstitution to that end is planned parenthood, and its founder Margaret sanger was recognized for her deep belief in eugenic science and proposed her own set of central Government policies to control every womb in the united states.

There are three key differences between the german holocaust and the american holocaust.  

1.) The germans isolated Jews as undesirable because they represented a faction of the well to do that three off the distribution of wealth etc. Etc.  In america we looked @ the poor and women who were "chronically sexual" as economic drags on society, much less evolved than our "betters."

2.) When the nazis contemplated their final solution they debated voluntary sterilization, forced sterilization, and finally settled on forced extermination.  This precipitated the greatest armed conflict in the history of mankind and german nazism was defeated.  In America, the eugenicists learned from this.  They instead chose voluntary sterilization and extermination, rebranded it with the prongs of choice, feminism, and family planning.

3.) Unfortunately, as with most things in the last century, America has been light years more effective.  The germans killed roughly 6 million people in 4 year.  In America we've killed over 60 million in 47 years.  Soon well have the great distinction of crossing the 65 million threshold, surpassing the entire death toll of ww2 making american Feminism the most lethal ideology in the history of mankind.  

But it's not forced u say,  if the state legalized rape and defended its practice and issued licenses to institutions to kidnap women and sell them as sex slaves that would be a government policy.  Likewise when the state violates it's own founding to cancel the humanity of an unborn child stripping its inalienable rights, allowing it to be killed for profit by state licensed physicians it is the very definition of tyranny and the greatest hypocrisy ever forced on this republic.
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#79

(01-20-2020, 08:09 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(01-20-2020, 07:48 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Lol, clearly the same thing as doxxing, swatting, deplatforming, and the actual shootings of politicians by leftist wackos. Your stupid example? Nowhere did those Christian stations attack the other stations who did play those versions to force them not to play Groban. But you knew that, you're just desperate, diety only knows why, to create a moral equivalency that doesnt exist.


Yes, Steve Scalise got shot, but so did Gabrielle Giffords.  
In 1930s Germany, different political parties actually fought in the streets.  I definitely agree members of Congress getting shot is in that category.  Swatting probably does, too. But doxxing? Not sure.  Ajit Pai got doxxed and protestors showed up at his house for a week or two, but they weren't violent.  Deplatforming? Create your own platform. No one has a right to use YouTube or Patreon.

Giffords was shot by a leftist, as was Scalise. Doxxing is a crime as it is an incitement to violence, as is Swatting. If you think a mob showing up at your doorstep for "a week or two" isn't terrorism then I can't help you. Deplatforming is a politically motivated form of prior restraint that should fall under public accommodation laws. It's no different than Target saying "black people can't shop here." All in all, these things are intended to make conservatives think twice about being conservative and to stop talking about it publicly. And if that doesn't work then to forcibly remove them from polite society.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#80

(01-20-2020, 08:33 AM)jj82284 Wrote:
(01-19-2020, 08:00 PM)mikesez Wrote: I thought we were talking about if cancel culture could be a prelude to something like Nazism.

We both know the answers to your questions.

1) Nuremburg. But the idea that a Jew can not be a loyal citizen is almost as old as Judaism itself.  You find bad guys saying this in the books of Daniel and Esther in the Bible 
2) Eugenics is the idea that humans could be improved through selective breeding.  In the 1930s, people didn't know which traits were genetic and which were not.  They were guessing.  They also implemented this idea by forcibly sterilizing people, which is now considered a crime against humanity.
3) At least some of the Eugenicists were not anti-Semitic at all.  
4) in the US, poor or less intelligent women who were stereotyped as sexually adventurous or at least sexually compliant were targeted for forced sterilization by eugenicists.  Early on, these were usually black women.  Later, native women were targeted this way. While women are voluntarily sterilized every day in the US, let's hope it's not being done forcibly, here or anywhere, and fight people who propose it

So how does any of this tie back to cancel culture?

I said that cancel culture were the new brownshirts, the mechanism used to stifle any opposition to centralized state policy.  

You then brought up the question, how is that anything to do with gas chambers.  

My point is that these are two aspects of the same national socialist policies that are actively being employed today by the american left.  

The Nuremberg laws?  They came from the united states left.  The segregation laws from the south were lifted and used against Jews instead of blacks.  

Eugenics and the belief in selective breeding is not uniquely anti semitic.  It's the general belief, for anyone willing to play god, that u can create a superior race of people through eliminating genetic undesirables.  

The most famous iamericab nstitution to that end is planned parenthood, and its founder Margaret sanger was recognized for her deep belief in eugenic science and proposed her own set of central Government policies to control every womb in the united states.

There are three key differences between the german holocaust and the american holocaust.  

1.) The germans isolated Jews as undesirable because they represented a faction of the well to do that three off the distribution of wealth etc. Etc.  In america we looked @ the poor and women who were "chronically sexual" as economic drags on society, much less evolved than our "betters."

2.) When the nazis contemplated their final solution they debated voluntary sterilization, forced sterilization, and finally settled on forced extermination.  This precipitated the greatest armed conflict in the history of mankind and german nazism was defeated.  In America, the eugenicists learned from this.  They instead chose voluntary sterilization and extermination, rebranded it with the prongs of choice, feminism, and family planning.

3.) Unfortunately, as with most things in the last century, America has been light years more effective.  The germans killed roughly 6 million people in 4 year.  In America we've killed over 60 million in 47 years.  Soon well have the great distinction of crossing the 65 million threshold, surpassing the entire death toll of ww2 making american Feminism the most lethal ideology in the history of mankind.  

But it's not forced u say,  if the state legalized rape and defended its practice and issued licenses to institutions to kidnap women and sell them as sex slaves that would be a government policy.  Likewise when the state violates it's own founding to cancel the humanity of an unborn child stripping its inalienable rights, allowing it to be killed for profit by state licensed physicians it is the very definition of tyranny and the greatest hypocrisy ever forced on this republic.

You're conflating the pro-choice movement that began in the mid 1960s in the US with the eugenics that came before and the cancel culture that came after.  These are three separate phenomena.  While you could certainly find a person that advocates for all three, you could just as easily find someone who only advocates for one or two of them.  Importantly, all three of these phenomena are working within a framework of non-violent electoral politics, so none of them can be a meaningful analogue to the brownshirts.
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