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Trump Fires First Person After Being Acquitted By Senate

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(02-10-2020, 12:22 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(02-10-2020, 11:32 AM)B2hibry Wrote: The term "fired" is a little misleading. The LTC had already decided to leave the NSC but in any case, he was reassigned to the Pentagon. He did not lose rank, he did not receive non-judicial punishment, etc. Reassignments occur all the time in the officer corp for similar conflicts of interest or simply as a career progression move. There seems to be a lot of misinformation or basic understanding in this thread from the non-military members.

That all reads correct to me.
What did I say that you think contradicts this?

First I'll respond to B2hibry.  He was relieved of his duty and escorted off of the White House grounds.  In essence he was "fired" from his job even though he did not lose rank, etc.  That's pretty much an "end of career" thing for an officer.  I don't know if the Army does FITREPS like the Navy does, but this will be reflected in his if they do which means no promotions, pretty much less-than-desirable assignments and basically forced out.  He will either resign or retire.

Now my response to mikey.
(02-07-2020, 07:15 PM)mikesez Wrote: He's going to go do similar work for maybe exactly the same amount of money only three miles away.
This is a nothingburger. Not the first time people made lateral moves due to personal conflicts and won't be the last.
This is very much not a "nothingburger".  It may seem like a "lateral move" to you, but it's pretty much the end of his career.  He will never make Colonel and is pretty much forced out.


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(02-10-2020, 03:53 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:
(02-10-2020, 12:22 PM)mikesez Wrote: That all reads correct to me.
What did I say that you think contradicts this?

First I'll respond to B2hibry.  He was relieved of his duty and escorted off of the White House grounds.  In essence he was "fired" from his job even though he did not lose rank, etc.  That's pretty much an "end of career" thing for an officer.  I don't know if the Army does FITREPS like the Navy does, but this will be reflected in his if they do which means no promotions, pretty much less-than-desirable assignments and basically forced out.  He will either resign or retire.

Now my response to mikey.
(02-07-2020, 07:15 PM)mikesez Wrote: He's going to go do similar work for maybe exactly the same amount of money only three miles away.
This is a nothingburger. Not the first time people made lateral moves due to personal conflicts and won't be the last.
This is very much not a "nothingburger".  It may seem like a "lateral move" to you, but it's pretty much the end of his career.  He will never make Colonel and is pretty much forced out.

It's a nothing burger to me. 
If he got a dishonorable discharge over this, that would seem unfair to me. if some arcane regulation said that President Trump had to continue working with him after all of this, that would also seem unfair to me. having his military career stagnate into a forced retirement a year or two from now doesn't seem unfair to me. 
I think you're assuming that he wanted a promotion, or that he expected to continue to serve decades into the future. If he did, then all of this probably sounds unfair to him. But maybe he didn't.
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#63

(02-10-2020, 04:06 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(02-10-2020, 03:53 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: First I'll respond to B2hibry.  He was relieved of his duty and escorted off of the White House grounds.  In essence he was "fired" from his job even though he did not lose rank, etc.  That's pretty much an "end of career" thing for an officer.  I don't know if the Army does FITREPS like the Navy does, but this will be reflected in his if they do which means no promotions, pretty much less-than-desirable assignments and basically forced out.  He will either resign or retire.

Now my response to mikey.
This is very much not a "nothingburger".  It may seem like a "lateral move" to you, but it's pretty much the end of his career.  He will never make Colonel and is pretty much forced out.

It's a nothing burger to me. 

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(02-10-2020, 03:53 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:
(02-10-2020, 12:22 PM)mikesez Wrote: That all reads correct to me.
What did I say that you think contradicts this?

First I'll respond to B2hibry.  He was relieved of his duty and escorted off of the White House grounds.  In essence he was "fired" from his job even though he did not lose rank, etc.  That's pretty much an "end of career" thing for an officer.  I don't know if the Army does FITREPS like the Navy does, but this will be reflected in his if they do which means no promotions, pretty much less-than-desirable assignments and basically forced out.  He will either resign or retire.

Now my response to mikey.
(02-07-2020, 07:15 PM)mikesez Wrote: He's going to go do similar work for maybe exactly the same amount of money only three miles away.
This is a nothingburger. Not the first time people made lateral moves due to personal conflicts and won't be the last.
This is very much not a "nothingburger".  It may seem like a "lateral move" to you, but it's pretty much the end of his career.  He will never make Colonel and is pretty much forced out.
While I agree to a point, he is being reassigned to the Pentagon and at the end of his temporary WH assignment as a 24 year LTC. This is not a less-than-desirable assigment, especially as a Army Field Grade Officer. In any case, because he can remain in service until 28 years, he will have another 4 more years available to obtain 0-7. He will not and is not required to resign. That would be punishment under the UCMJ of which he is not receiving. While his next officer EES will not look squeaky clean, he has plenty of time to recharge and make Colonel. Sadly, even if he retires at 28 years, he will be offered a premier contracting position after. This is all show and no go!
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(This post was last modified: 02-11-2020, 01:38 PM by wrong_box.)

(02-10-2020, 04:45 PM)B2hibry Wrote:
(02-10-2020, 03:53 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: First I'll respond to B2hibry.  He was relieved of his duty and escorted off of the White House grounds.  In essence he was "fired" from his job even though he did not lose rank, etc.  That's pretty much an "end of career" thing for an officer.  I don't know if the Army does FITREPS like the Navy does, but this will be reflected in his if they do which means no promotions, pretty much less-than-desirable assignments and basically forced out.  He will either resign or retire.

Now my response to mikey.
This is very much not a "nothingburger".  It may seem like a "lateral move" to you, but it's pretty much the end of his career.  He will never make Colonel and is pretty much forced out.
While I agree to a point, he is being reassigned to the Pentagon and at the end of his temporary WH assignment as a 24 year LTC. This is not a less-than-desirable assigment, especially as a Army Field Grade Officer. In any case, because he can remain in service until 28 years, he will have another 4 more years available to obtain 0-7. He will not and is not required to resign. That would be punishment under the UCMJ of which he is not receiving. While his next officer EES will not look squeaky clean, he has plenty of time to recharge and make Colonel. Sadly, even if he retires at 28 years, he will be offered a premier contracting position after. This is all show and no go!

Reassignment from the white house is a demotion without punitive action. He more than likely be assigned some low level job ( for his rank) that a junior officer would generally do. He very well could go from the White House to being in charge of sewer disposal from temporary base camps where they. now burn all the poo to get rid of it. He could be assigned to be an aid to a high ranking person and simply be the middle man who passes messages between the higher ranking person and higher ups. He wont have a meaningful command of anything that actually suits his rank.
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(02-09-2020, 11:41 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote:
(02-09-2020, 06:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: An honorable discharge would also be a nothingburger, from my perspective. If they don't need him anymore that's fine.  Folks get laid off every day in the private sector.  
Just as long as he gets what everyone else who served honorably for the amount of time he served gets in terms of severance or pension.

Just STOP TALKING. You're embarrassing yourself and you either don't care or too stupid to realize it.

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(02-11-2020, 01:37 PM)wrong_box Wrote:
(02-10-2020, 04:45 PM)B2hibry Wrote: While I agree to a point, he is being reassigned to the Pentagon and at the end of his temporary WH assignment as a 24 year LTC. This is not a less-than-desirable assigment, especially as a Army Field Grade Officer. In any case, because he can remain in service until 28 years, he will have another 4 more years available to obtain 0-7. He will not and is not required to resign. That would be punishment under the UCMJ of which he is not receiving. While his next officer EES will not look squeaky clean, he has plenty of time to recharge and make Colonel. Sadly, even if he retires at 28 years, he will be offered a premier contracting position after. This is all show and no go!

Reassignment from the white house is a demotion without punitive action. He more than likely be assigned some low level job ( for his rank) that a junior officer would generally do. He very well could go from the White House to being in charge of sewer disposal from temporary base camps where they. now burn all the poo to get rid of it. He could be assigned to be an aid to a high ranking person and simply be the middle man who passes messages between the higher ranking person and higher ups. He wont have a meaningful command of anything that actually suits his rank.
Let me reiterate...he was leaving anyway. Once again, a Pentagon assignment for an Army Field Grade of his background is not a demotion. Additionally, as an LTC assigned to the Pentagon, he was not going to Command anything. They are a dime a dozen and bottom of the food chain in that environment. Also, don't underestimate being a director of staff (aid) for some General. That has a promotion written all over it! I'm not talking out of my [BLEEP] here, this is 24 years of experience that involves the WH and Pentagon to name a few. I've seen folks promoted for far less than "field hygiene and sanitation affairs liaison" out of that place. LOL
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(02-11-2020, 05:01 PM)B2hibry Wrote:
(02-11-2020, 01:37 PM)wrong_box Wrote: Reassignment from the white house is a demotion without punitive action. He more than likely be assigned some low level job ( for his rank) that a junior officer would generally do. He very well could go from the White House to being in charge of sewer disposal from temporary base camps where they. now burn all the poo to get rid of it. He could be assigned to be an aid to a high ranking person and simply be the middle man who passes messages between the higher ranking person and higher ups. He wont have a meaningful command of anything that actually suits his rank.
Let me reiterate...he was leaving anyway. Once again, a Pentagon assignment for an Army Field Grade of his background is not a demotion. Additionally, as an LTC assigned to the Pentagon, he was not going to Command anything. They are a dime a dozen and bottom of the food chain in that environment. Also, don't underestimate being a director of staff (aid) for some General. That has a promotion written all over it! I'm not talking out of my [BLEEP] here, this is 24 years of experience that involves the WH and Pentagon to name a few. I've seen folks promoted for far less than "field hygiene and sanitation affairs liaison" out of that place. LOL

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#69

(02-10-2020, 04:45 PM)B2hibry Wrote:
(02-10-2020, 03:53 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: First I'll respond to B2hibry.  He was relieved of his duty and escorted off of the White House grounds.  In essence he was "fired" from his job even though he did not lose rank, etc.  That's pretty much an "end of career" thing for an officer.  I don't know if the Army does FITREPS like the Navy does, but this will be reflected in his if they do which means no promotions, pretty much less-than-desirable assignments and basically forced out.  He will either resign or retire.

Now my response to mikey.
This is very much not a "nothingburger".  It may seem like a "lateral move" to you, but it's pretty much the end of his career.  He will never make Colonel and is pretty much forced out.
While I agree to a point, he is being reassigned to the Pentagon and at the end of his temporary WH assignment as a 24 year LTC. This is not a less-than-desirable assigment, especially as a Army Field Grade Officer. In any case, because he can remain in service until 28 years, he will have another 4 more years available to obtain 0-7. He will not and is not required to resign. That would be punishment under the UCMJ of which he is not receiving. While his next officer EES will not look squeaky clean, he has plenty of time to recharge and make Colonel. Sadly, even if he retires at 28 years, he will be offered a premier contracting position after. This is all show and no go!

(02-11-2020, 05:01 PM)B2hibry Wrote:
(02-11-2020, 01:37 PM)wrong_box Wrote: Reassignment from the white house is a demotion without punitive action. He more than likely be assigned some low level job ( for his rank) that a junior officer would generally do. He very well could go from the White House to being in charge of sewer disposal from temporary base camps where they. now burn all the poo to get rid of it. He could be assigned to be an aid to a high ranking person and simply be the middle man who passes messages between the higher ranking person and higher ups. He wont have a meaningful command of anything that actually suits his rank.
Let me reiterate...he was leaving anyway. Once again, a Pentagon assignment for an Army Field Grade of his background is not a demotion. Additionally, as an LTC assigned to the Pentagon, he was not going to Command anything. They are a dime a dozen and bottom of the food chain in that environment. Also, don't underestimate being a director of staff (aid) for some General. That has a promotion written all over it! I'm not talking out of my [BLEEP] here, this is 24 years of experience that involves the WH and Pentagon to name a few. I've seen folks promoted for far less than "field hygiene and sanitation affairs liaison" out of that place. LOL

I don't doubt you or your experience, I'm just commenting on my experience working in/with the military for over 30 years.  Sadly I have seen many careers end over that time period and this looks to me like another one.


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(02-11-2020, 05:01 PM)B2hibry Wrote:
(02-11-2020, 01:37 PM)wrong_box Wrote: Reassignment from the white house is a demotion without punitive action. He more than likely be assigned some low level job ( for his rank) that a junior officer would generally do. He very well could go from the White House to being in charge of sewer disposal from temporary base camps where they. now burn all the poo to get rid of it. He could be assigned to be an aid to a high ranking person and simply be the middle man who passes messages between the higher ranking person and higher ups. He wont have a meaningful command of anything that actually suits his rank.
Let me reiterate...he was leaving anyway. Once again, a Pentagon assignment for an Army Field Grade of his background is not a demotion. Additionally, as an LTC assigned to the Pentagon, he was not going to Command anything. They are a dime a dozen and bottom of the food chain in that environment. Also, don't underestimate being a director of staff (aid) for some General. That has a promotion written all over it! I'm not talking out of my [BLEEP] here, this is 24 years of experience that involves the WH and Pentagon to name a few. I've seen folks promoted for far less than "field hygiene and sanitation affairs liaison" out of that place. L
He was reassigned from a cushy white house job back to the pentagon h7on. White house is better than pentagon therefor demotion. LCl are routinley Commanding Officers. Lt Cl is equal to a Cdr in the navy. Cdrs are captins of ships and commands on shore
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