If he's worth $18 million to the Jaguars, then he is worth a lot less than that to another team, because another team would have the additional cost of trading draft picks for him.

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Yes, we were doing him a solid.  But I wonder if the fact that we were unable to get that point across says anything about Coughlin, or Caldwell, or whoever was tasked with getting that point across to him.  Giving a guy a great offer is nice, but failing to get him to see that raises additional questions about the people who are presenting the offer.

Yes, let’s blame the Jaguars organization for Ngakoue’s inability, or unwillingness, to see a good deal for himself. 

This logic completely escapes me.

I don't want to belabor the point; it's just a thought.  And you make a very good point.  

But an analogy would be if you are a car company and you make a great car at a great price and you can't sell it.  Do you blame the consumer?  Or are you simply doing a poor job selling this great product?  Likewise, if we offer him a wonderful deal and he won't take it, I still have to wonder why are we having a hard time getting him to take this great deal.  It's a head-scratcher.  

But you're probably right.

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Yes, let’s blame the Jaguars organization for Ngakoue’s inability, or unwillingness, to see a good deal for himself. 

This logic completely escapes me.

I don't want to belabor the point; it's just a thought.  And you make a very good point.  

But an analogy would be if you are a car company and you make a great car at a great price and you can't sell it.  Do you blame the consumer?  Or are you simply doing a poor job selling this great product?  Likewise, if we offer him a wonderful deal and he won't take it, I still have to wonder why are we having a hard time getting him to take this great deal.  It's a head-scratcher.  

But you're probably right.

The initial deal (under Coughlin) was rumored to be decent number but not-so-decent terms.  
So - given we don't know the actual offer - Ngakoue deserves the benefit of the doubt on wanting to continue bargaining at that point. So - yeah - I kind-of do blame the Jags org on that one, HB. 

Now - since Caldwell came out and said "this is priority one in our offseason" it stands to reason that a better offer is on the table.  Why Ngakoue is seemingly dead set against signing that one is indeed a head-scratcher. Can't blame the Jags here and it's anyone's guess how Yannick actually handles this. 
My coffee is kicking in maybe I'll start a poll.

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I don't want to belabor the point; it's just a thought.  And you make a very good point.  

But an analogy would be if you are a car company and you make a great car at a great price and you can't sell it.  Do you blame the consumer?  Or are you simply doing a poor job selling this great product?  Likewise, if we offer him a wonderful deal and he won't take it, I still have to wonder why are we having a hard time getting him to take this great deal.  It's a head-scratcher.  

But you're probably right.

The initial deal (under Coughlin) was rumored to be decent number but not-so-decent terms.  
So - given we don't know the actual offer - Ngakoue deserves the benefit of the doubt on wanting to continue bargaining at that point. So - yeah - I kind-of do blame the Jags org on that one, HB. 

Now - since Caldwell came out and said "this is priority one in our offseason" it stands to reason that a better offer is on the table.  Why Ngakoue is seemingly dead set against signing that one is indeed a head-scratcher. Can't blame the Jags here and it's anyone's guess how Yannick actually handles this. 
My coffee is kicking in maybe I'll start a poll.

What ever the reason for his holdout, it's a good problem to have. I hope he stays healthy, productive and with the Jags.

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So the Jags were doing him a total solid when they offered him 19 million per and a year early on top of it.

That's what the Jags leaked, that's not what he was actually offered.

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So the Jags were doing him a total solid when they offered him 19 million per and a year early on top of it.

That's what the Jags leaked, that's not what he was actually offered.

Proof?

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

I think at this point it’s more about the emotional side of the deal. It’s hard to come to grips with an employer you have been annoyed and fighting with. Hopefully he comes around, because we need him long-term.

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That's what the Jags leaked, that's not what he was actually offered.

Proof?

There is no confirmed information on the actual offer. Only rumor.  
It could have been 20 mil per year for 4 years -- it could have been 14 mil per year for 2 years.  We don't know anything beyond unsubstantiated rumor.  As has been made clear in this thread 3 dozen times.

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I think at this point it’s more about the emotional side of the deal. It’s hard to come to grips with an employer you have been annoyed and fighting with. Hopefully he comes around, because we need him long-term.

The guy has become a cancer. I wouldn't want him anywhere close to our rookies. We don't need him long term when he is also average at best vs the run.

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

So the Jags were doing him a total solid when they offered him 19 million per and a year early on top of it.

That's what the Jags leaked, that's not what he was actually offered.

And your source is?

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That's what the Jags leaked, that's not what he was actually offered.

And your source is?

Lots of pages back Dilla's info on it was posted several times. That's the best we have, and knowing how PR goes probably true.

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I think at this point it’s more about the emotional side of the deal. It’s hard to come to grips with an employer you have been annoyed and fighting with. Hopefully he comes around, because we need him long-term.

The guy has become a cancer. I wouldn't want him anywhere close to our rookies. We don't need him long term when he is also average at best vs the run.

Bahahaha cancer? Get a grip.

You’re gonna flip so quickly when he balls out this season. I can’t wait.

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And your source is?

Lots of pages back Dilla's info on it was posted several times. That's the best we have, and knowing how PR goes probably true.

Yeah Dilla, that guy that had nothing on draft day. Real source right there.

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

And your source is?

Lots of pages back Dilla's info on it was posted several times. That's the best we have, and knowing how PR goes probably true.

Dilla....lol.  

That's a reliable source.  

The guy gets something right every once in a while and he's suddenly a reliable source?  What a joke.  He's been so off base on most of his recent takes...especially around the draft.  But hey...you believe what you want.

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Lots of pages back Dilla's info on it was posted several times. That's the best we have, and knowing how PR goes probably true.

Dilla....lol.  

That's a reliable source.  

The guy gets something right every once in a while and he's suddenly a reliable source?  What a joke.  He's been so off base on most of his recent takes...especially around the draft.  But hey...you believe what you want.

No one is reliable then.

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Dilla....lol.  

That's a reliable source.  

The guy gets something right every once in a while and he's suddenly a reliable source?  What a joke.  He's been so off base on most of his recent takes...especially around the draft.  But hey...you believe what you want.

No one is reliable then.

Certainly none of these anonymous twits.

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I think at this point it’s more about the emotional side of the deal. It’s hard to come to grips with an employer you have been annoyed and fighting with. Hopefully he comes around, because we need him long-term.

The guy has become a cancer. I wouldn't want him anywhere close to our rookies. We don't need him long term when he is also average at best vs the run.

Only one he is a cancer to are crybaby fans who don't realize his actions were just a business decision.

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The guy has become a cancer. I wouldn't want him anywhere close to our rookies. We don't need him long term when he is also average at best vs the run.

Only one he is a cancer to are crybaby fans who don't realize his actions were just a business decision.

Sure, because calling your owner a clown and going after him on twitter is just what true pros do, right? or it's just business decision. Maybe Dak should take classes from Ngakoue...

Dude is a cancer, period.

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

Only one he is a cancer to are crybaby fans who don't realize his actions were just a business decision.

Sure, because calling your owner a clown and going after him on twitter is just what true pros do, right? or it's just business decision. Maybe Dak should take classes from Ngakoue...

Dude is a cancer, period.

Only a cancer if he negatively impacts the locker room.

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Sure, because calling your owner a clown and going after him on twitter is just what true pros do, right? or it's just business decision. Maybe Dak should take classes from Ngakoue...

Dude is a cancer, period.

Only a cancer if he negatively impacts the locker room.

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

Yann is a clown at this point imho, and an idiot for not taking the original deal. He will never recoup what he lost. Never.

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