(08-02-2020, 04:48 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(08-02-2020, 11:36 AM)mikesez Wrote: Like others here, you are confusing what is with what should be.
What do you think should be?
wouldn't you agree that the top brass in the Navy is biased towards having more stuff, rather than less? Wouldn't you agree that the lobbyists they listen to want to build more ships, not less ships?

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Good. That all sounds sensible. notice I'm not the one who brought up the C5 in this thread...

Lol, there's the issue with you. If you think everyone else is confused then everyone isn't the one who is confused.

or I've just chosen to pick a fight about military spending with a town that more or less butters all its bread with extra military dollars... with a town where grown men go to bed at night dreaming of the day when an aircraft carrier will be stationed at mayport again... In any case I'm not the only one here agreeing that we need to cut spending on the military.

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(08-02-2020, 06:08 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote:

(08-02-2020, 12:02 PM)mikesez Wrote: I know all of that. a ship is only available for battle operations maybe a third of the time, at least during a peace time cycle.
Why do you assume we need to have a battle ready ship 24/7, in every potential hot spot?
Would a one or two month delay in response to something going on near Muscat or Singapore really be catastrophic in a naval context?
None of our potential adversaries make this assumption.

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And please pay attention to what I said about ICBM armed submarines.
If the range of the ICBM is 2/3 of the circumference of the Earth, how many submarines do you need deployed to complete the triad and have mutual assured destruction of every point of the globe? (The answer is two)
if those submarines need to be cycled in and out such that you need three submarines for every one that's battle ready at any given time, how many do you need? (The answer is two times three, six.)
And how many of these did we actually build?

In case you having noticed you [BLEEP] [BLEEP], A LOT of countries want to take us down or mess with our [BLEEP] allies, none of which have the [BLEEP] capability to handle more than a handful of [BLEEP] coming their way. Like it or not we are the tip of the [BLEEP] spear when it comes to military force. So just [BLEEP] STOP. 

Coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn't mean [BLEEP]. We don't live in the world we want, we live in the one we have and that means we have to be ready for [BLEEP] to hit the fan at any moment. 9/11 taught us that. But you must not have been old enough to have felt what that did to the country or you wouldn't ask such dumb [BLEEP] questions. 

Your [BLEEP] questions have been answered.  Move the [BLEEP] on.

who do you think you are, that you can tell another person to stop talking just because you're angry? What country do you think you live in?

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