I don't remember whether I did or not.  I hope I didn't.  I don't think I would avoid any brand just because the people to the left of me or the people to the right of me don't like it for some political reason.

Is there a fundamental difference boycotting a company because they advertise on Tucker Carlson' highly rated show versus boycotting a company over internal policies to silent conservatives?

I don't think so.  

I'm not against boycotting as a concept.  I just don't want to participate.  If I want to buy Goodyear tires, or if I want to buy a delicious Chic-Fil-A sandwich, I will continue to do so.

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Is there a fundamental difference boycotting a company because they advertise on Tucker Carlson' highly rated show versus boycotting a company over internal policies to silent conservatives?

I don't think so.  

I'm not against boycotting as a concept.  I just don't want to participate.  If I want to buy Goodyear tires, or if I want to buy a delicious Chic-Fil-A sandwich, I will continue to do so.

Exactly, saying you will boycott something on Twitter doesnt make that craving go away when you drive by CFA and nobody is watching. 

Also, forgoing one brand for another doesnt = boycott automatically.

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The earlier victories were enforced too.
Politicians and other public figures who dissented about allowing interracial marriage or ending segregated schools had to repent or be de-platformed long ago.

The right is merely trying to hold its ground in the culture war.  The left is trying to change stuff.  The right wins when they can show that society, as it is, is only making rational and fair distinctions.  The left wins when they make society seem unfair or bigoted.

The marijuana wars still aren't over.  The gay wars have ended with near total victory for the left; conversion therapy is banned for kids in many areas.  The transgender wars are probably bogged down for a while.  I predict a bit of retrogression, where biological males will no longer compete in women's sports, but it's far from over.  There is retrogression on the abortion front, but, that war may never end.  

In my opinion, other than drug laws, it's pretty dumb to change your vote over this stuff.  We seem to elect congressmen and presidents who say the right things, but, the Court decisions don't seem to change.

Good point, but how is not allowing biological males (bigger and stronger, no matter how much one "identifies") to compete against biological females in sports considered "retrogression"? It's downright unfair.

For the purposes of what I'm saying, progress or progression just means change. Retrogression is just changing back.

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You guys are missing my point. It's not just about changing policy, which has been happening for a while. It's that the left, especially the far left, has learned that it can control the narrative by silencing their opponents institutionally. This isn't a battle of ideas, but, instead suppression of ideas enforced by a media dominated by the left, an entertainment industry dominated by the left, and academic industry dominated by the left, a tech industry dominated by the left, and massive corporations that are increasingly becoming dominated by the left. This last group is concerning to me, because businesses are adapting to give them a competitive advantage, and the influence from the left is too great to ignore. Businesses that have made the switch ideologically are benefitting, not from the consumers, but from other institutional powers. To make this worse, the progressive use of race, sex, and gender has become tied to the destruction of capitalism, and the businesses that are adopting progressive policies are positioning themselves to be considered for monopolies if the system were to change. So, when I say they are using culture, I am not saying they are changing hearts and minds, but instead creating taboos that they use to silence their ideological opponents for the sake of ushering in their preferred form of governance.

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You guys are missing my point. It's not just about changing policy, which has been happening for a while. It's that the left, especially the far left, has learned that it can control the narrative by silencing their opponents institutionally. This isn't a battle of ideas, but, instead suppression of ideas enforced by a media dominated by the left, an entertainment industry dominated by the left, and academic industry dominated by the left, a tech industry dominated by the left, and massive corporations that are increasingly becoming dominated by the left. This last group is concerning to me, because businesses are adapting to give them a competitive advantage, and the influence from the left is too great to ignore. Businesses that have made the switch ideologically are benefitting, not from the consumers, but from other institutional powers. To make this worse, the progressive use of race, sex, and gender has become tied to the destruction of capitalism, and the businesses that are adopting progressive policies are positioning themselves to be considered for monopolies if the system were to change. So, when I say they are using culture, I am not saying they are changing hearts and minds, but instead creating taboos that they use to silence their ideological opponents for the sake of ushering in their preferred form of governance.

I have to ask, how does it feel being this entombed in tribalism? That it only boils down to two sides, and one is evil and other virtuous? That you you only see things through the clouded lens of strident partisanship?

And if you're post is correct, it sounds like left is stomping you guys flat. Which is sad, because they could [BLEEP] up a one car race.

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Entombed in tribalism? How about you rephrase your questions and point out the parts of my post that are incorrect.

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Entombed in tribalism? How about you rephrase your questions and point out the parts of my post that are incorrect.

With you it seems the left is always manufacturing a narrative. Perhaps, on other hand, things change over time and subsequently pass you by. And just an example of what you've asked for; the bit about the left's attack on capitalism and that big corporations are part of that. Bezos and his Amazon empire is about as capitalist as it gets. Yet he's a dyed-in-the-wool left-winger. 

Also, if the left's narrative permeates the fabric of our society so dominantly, how was Trump ever elected president? It can't be the right has its own equally powerful narrative, can it?

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Entombed in tribalism? How about you rephrase your questions and point out the parts of my post that are incorrect.

With you it seems the left is always manufacturing a narrative. Perhaps, on other hand, things change over time and subsequently pass you by. And just an example of what you've asked for; the bit about the left's attack on capitalism and that big corporations are part of that. Bezos and his Amazon empire is about as capitalist as it gets. Yet he's a dyed-in-the-wool left-winger. 

Also, if the left's narrative permeates the fabric of our society so dominantly, how was Trump ever elected president? It can't be the right has its own equally powerful narrative, can it?

The left IS always manufacturing a narrative. So is the right. This is common in politics. However, the extreme on the right is trying to hold on to what is traditional, and the extreme on the left is trying to overthrow our government. I am far more left than the average conservative on this board. I am also relatively well versed on this subject. I shouldn't have to list my credentials every time I get in a discussion, but I have only voted predominantly Republican on one ticket (which was last mid-terms). This is because the left has not wrangled the radical side of it's base, and it's moving left at a dangerous pace. It's politicians are adopting radical rhetoric and embracing cancel culture as a tool to defeat their opponents. I am not ok with the degree to which we are suppressing free thought and free speech. These are bedrocks of a free society. I am ok with with wanting to change systems within our current form of government, but I am absolutely NOT ok with trying overthrow capitalism in favor of socialism. This has resulted in numerous failed governments, and only a person ignorant to history and current world politics could think otherwise. 

Your point about Bezos reinforces my point that I am now seeing Wall Street moving to the left. I'm assuming you can read, so how is it that you didn't understand that part? If there are no consequences for moving left, but right leaning businesses pay a penalty because of the institutional pressure that can be levied upon them, you will not have a free market, and left leaning businesses will have a better shot at success. You see how that works? If you could entertain that idea for a second... I mean, really consider if that's how it works, you could see that is also how the left has gained institutional power in entertainment, academia, and the media. I could post studies that show that leftists tend to be discriminatory at a great rate than conservatives when it comes to hiring practices, but you don't really need to read those to see how it works in real life. Movies with a leftist narrative are green lit. There is a thing called publication bias in academia, and 96% of journalists voted for Hillary Clinton. 

DESPITE this obvious bias, the political world is still split 50/50 in America, more or less, because the PEOPLE don't necessarily want radical change. People are comfortable with their traditions. So, to your point, if that's what you think you're making, the fact that the political world is still relatively even speaks to the fact that these institutional influences haven't been able to convince the populace at large that their ideas are better. HOWEVER, the danger, and my point that you still somehow missed, is now that the left has almost total domination of these institutions, they are leveraging that power to control and silence countervailing narratives. It is this singular idea that I am pushing back against, and I believe that if people don't push back against it as well, it will result in another failed system. Balance is important. Both the right and left need to work together to move forward in peace.

This is the summary of my feelings on the matter, but I am not even touching on the warped philosophies that are plaguing the left. There is a real problem brewing with these new progressive ideologies, and it will destroy Western civilization as we know it, but that's a different topic entirely. I understand how people who don't research this stuff might think that is an exaggeration, but if you start to look into it, you'll see what I mean. It's destructive by design.

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Oh, and next time, why don't you address what I said instead of trying to lump me into some category. This is the problem with people these days. It's easier to "other" people than to actually address the issues.

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This isn’t a recent development brought about by orangeman either.What we’re seeing today is the culmination of a decades-long effort by the left to overturn western establishment in the U.S.
Just look at the story of the two 21-year-old women who harassed and assaulted a family because they had the temerity to display Trump signs. After watching the video I truly believe that not only did they believe their actions were noble, but they had an obligation to do what they did. That is the result of lifelong conditioning, and there’s plenty more like them.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/delaware-poli...from-child

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Yeah, saw that video the other day, and I got really, really angry, when I am normally pretty level-headed. I'm not sure I would have been able to stay composed if someone did that to my wife. I would never wear a Trump hat, but it almost made me want to put one on. People have to push back against this.

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How do you even begin to have civil discord with people like that?  The very people that scream the loudest about free speech certainly are against anyone that has an opposing view speaking.

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

How do you even begin to have civil discord with people like that?  The very people that scream the loudest about free speech certainly are against anyone that has an opposing view speaking.

The article says it was near where Joe Biden was at the time. Perhaps the two perps were there to see Joe Biden and they were under the impression that it was all Biden turf, private property and whatnot.
If I was going to some political event, and I saw some people protesting against it, I might tell the cops. The cops could say, "they have a right to be there, that's public space" or "that's private space, call the event organizer and we can trespass them."
I wouldn't take things into my own hands.
That's always been my stance, defer to the authorities. I get a lot more flak for my stance from folks on the right, than I do from folks on the left. It's mostly the righties who seem to think that not relying on local authority is somehow part of being manly.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

How do you even begin to have civil discord with people like that?  The very people that scream the loudest about free speech certainly are against anyone that has an opposing view speaking.

The article says it was near where Joe Biden was at the time. Perhaps the two perps were there to see Joe Biden and they were under the impression that it was all Biden turf, private property and whatnot.
If I was going to some political event, and I saw some people protesting against it, I might tell the cops. The cops could say, "they have a right to be there, that's public space" or "that's private space, call the event organizer and we can trespass them."
I wouldn't take things into my own hands.
That's always been my stance, defer to the authorities. I get a lot more flak for my stance from folks on the right, than I do from folks on the left. It's mostly the righties who seem to think that not relying on local authority is somehow part of being manly.

You totally talked yourself into defending those thieves. Good jorb.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The article says it was near where Joe Biden was at the time. Perhaps the two perps were there to see Joe Biden and they were under the impression that it was all Biden turf, private property and whatnot.
If I was going to some political event, and I saw some people protesting against it, I might tell the cops. The cops could say, "they have a right to be there, that's public space" or "that's private space, call the event organizer and we can trespass them."
I wouldn't take things into my own hands.
That's always been my stance, defer to the authorities. I get a lot more flak for my stance from folks on the right, than I do from folks on the left. It's mostly the righties who seem to think that not relying on local authority is somehow part of being manly.

You totally talked yourself into defending those thieves. Good jorb.

I'm not defending them.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

You totally talked yourself into defending those thieves. Good jorb.

I'm not defending them.

Sure thing.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You totally talked yourself into defending those thieves. Good jorb.

I'm not defending them.

Yes you did.

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

The article says it was near where Joe Biden was at the time. Perhaps the two perps were there to see Joe Biden and they were under the impression that it was all Biden turf, private property and whatnot.
If I was going to some political event, and I saw some people protesting against it, I might tell the cops. The cops could say, "they have a right to be there, that's public space" or "that's private space, call the event organizer and we can trespass them."
I wouldn't take things into my own hands.
That's always been my stance, defer to the authorities. I get a lot more flak for my stance from folks on the right, than I do from folks on the left. It's mostly the righties who seem to think that not relying on local authority is somehow part of being manly.

Buuuuwwwaa!! What an idiotic response.

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

The article says it was near where Joe Biden was at the time. Perhaps the two perps were there to see Joe Biden and they were under the impression that it was all Biden turf, private property and whatnot.
If I was going to some political event, and I saw some people protesting against it, I might tell the cops. The cops could say, "they have a right to be there, that's public space" or "that's private space, call the event organizer and we can trespass them."
I wouldn't take things into my own hands.
That's always been my stance, defer to the authorities. I get a lot more flak for my stance from folks on the right, than I do from folks on the left. It's mostly the righties who seem to think that not relying on local authority is somehow part of being manly.

Buuuuwwwaa!! What an idiotic response.

He stepped all in it and then tracked it into the house.

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The article says it was near where Joe Biden was at the time. Perhaps the two perps were there to see Joe Biden and they were under the impression that it was all Biden turf, private property and whatnot.
If I was going to some political event, and I saw some people protesting against it, I might tell the cops. The cops could say, "they have a right to be there, that's public space" or "that's private space, call the event organizer and we can trespass them."
I wouldn't take things into my own hands.
That's always been my stance, defer to the authorities. I get a lot more flak for my stance from folks on the right, than I do from folks on the left. It's mostly the righties who seem to think that not relying on local authority is somehow part of being manly.

Buuuuwwwaa!! What an idiotic response.

Why do you think they thought they had a right t tear up the signs? What do you think was going through their heads?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Entitlement.

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