No. I go to the tax guy with the form I'm sent in the mail and basically sit there until he fills out the paperwork. He ask me no questions about deductions at all. When he's done, I pay him and I don't see him for another year. 

I don't even know for sure what an IRA is. The only IRA I know is the Irish Republican Army. Weren't they a terrorist group back in the late 80's/early 90's? 

I don't know anything about deductions for mortgage. I just take in the paperwork that the state sends me through the mail and give it to the tax guy. 

I live in Ohio.

Lol, well, it's good to see your opinions are based on strong knowledge of and experience with the tax code.

I never, ever, ever claimed to know anything about taxes. Numbers are not my thing. If I knew anything about taxes, I wouldn't have been paying someone to do my EZ form. I don't wanna have the IRS come after me for making some mistake, so I hire a professional. The thing is, you don't have to know anything about taxes to believe that a flat tax, where everyone pays the same rate, is fair and just.

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Lol, well, it's good to see your opinions are based on strong knowledge of and experience with the tax code.

I never, ever, ever claimed to know anything about taxes. Numbers are not my thing. If I knew anything about taxes, I wouldn't have been paying someone to do my EZ form. I don't wanna have the IRS come after me for making some mistake, so I hire a professional. The thing is, you don't have to know anything about taxes to believe that a flat tax, where everyone pays the same rate, is fair and just.

So he was correct then, you do it too, just not at the same level.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

No. I go to the tax guy with the form I'm sent in the mail and basically sit there until he fills out the paperwork. He ask me no questions about deductions at all. When he's done, I pay him and I don't see him for another year. 

I don't even know for sure what an IRA is. The only IRA I know is the Irish Republican Army. Weren't they a terrorist group back in the late 80's/early 90's? 

I don't know anything about deductions for mortgage. I just take in the paperwork that the state sends me through the mail and give it to the tax guy. 

I live in Ohio.

IRA = Individual Retirement Account.  Do you plan on living off SS when you retire? If you don't have any deductions, you would use the EZ form ... Which is really "Easy" ... Even a Caveman could do it. May look like stone carving in a cave, but he could do it.

I live paycheck to paycheck, so I have no money left over for retirement. I'll worry about that when the time comes. Hopefully, I'll get lucky and I'll be dead before retirement. As far as doing taxes, numbers are not my thing. I pay someone else to fill out my EZ form. I'm paranoid about the IRS coming after me, so I pay someone else to do it, because I don't trust myself not to make a mistake.

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I never, ever, ever claimed to know anything about taxes. Numbers are not my thing. If I knew anything about taxes, I wouldn't have been paying someone to do my EZ form. I don't wanna have the IRS come after me for making some mistake, so I hire a professional. The thing is, you don't have to know anything about taxes to believe that a flat tax, where everyone pays the same rate, is fair and just.

So he was correct then, you do it too, just not at the same level.

?????? My last tax refund was less than what I paid the guy I hired to fill it out.

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IRA = Individual Retirement Account.  Do you plan on living off SS when you retire? If you don't have any deductions, you would use the EZ form ... Which is really "Easy" ... Even a Caveman could do it. May look like stone carving in a cave, but he could do it.

I live paycheck to paycheck, so I have no money left over for retirement. I'll worry about that when the time comes. Hopefully, I'll get lucky and I'll be dead before retirement. As far as doing taxes, numbers are not my thing. I pay someone else to fill out my EZ form. I'm paranoid about the IRS coming after me, so I pay someone else to do it, because I don't trust myself not to make a mistake.

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So he was correct then, you do it too, just not at the same level.

?????? My last tax refund was less than what I paid the guy I hired to fill it out.

You got money back? Why didn't you just let the government keep it? Because you aren't going to let them keep one plugged nickel more than they are entitled to keep, that's why. Same as the rest of us Trump and Biden included. And if you're filing an EZ you should look at the free services instead of paying someone, there's a bunch of folks who do it pro bono and it sounds like you've got better uses for the money than paying some shmuck to do it. I did the same thing for years too, it just chapped my [BLEEP] to give some guy 50 bucks to fill out a one page form.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

IRA = Individual Retirement Account.  Do you plan on living off SS when you retire? If you don't have any deductions, you would use the EZ form ... Which is really "Easy" ... Even a Caveman could do it. May look like stone carving in a cave, but he could do it.

I live paycheck to paycheck, so I have no money left over for retirement. I'll worry about that when the time comes. Hopefully, I'll get lucky and I'll be dead before retirement. As far as doing taxes, numbers are not my thing. I pay someone else to fill out my EZ form. I'm paranoid about the IRS coming after me, so I pay someone else to do it, because I don't trust myself not to make a mistake.

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So he was correct then, you do it too, just not at the same level.

?????? My last tax refund was less than what I paid the guy I hired to fill it out.

Why would you pay someone to do your taxes if they are that simple? You are getting hosed and the guy taking your money should be ashamed of himself.

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I live paycheck to paycheck, so I have no money left over for retirement. I'll worry about that when the time comes. Hopefully, I'll get lucky and I'll be dead before retirement. As far as doing taxes, numbers are not my thing. I pay someone else to fill out my EZ form. I'm paranoid about the IRS coming after me, so I pay someone else to do it, because I don't trust myself not to make a mistake.

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?????? My last tax refund was less than what I paid the guy I hired to fill it out.

You got money back? Why didn't you just let the government keep it? Because you aren't going to let them keep one plugged nickel more than they are entitled to keep, that's why. Same as the rest of us Trump and Biden included. And if you're filing an EZ you should look at the free services instead of paying someone, there's a bunch of folks who do it pro bono and it sounds like you've got better uses for the money than paying some shmuck to do it. I did the same thing for years too, it just chapped my [BLEEP] to give some guy 50 bucks to fill out a one page form.

No, technically I didn't get money back. I ended up $68 in the hole by the time I paid the tax guy the $79.99 he charged to fill it out. That was the cheapest price I could find for someone to do my taxes locally, here in Ohio. As for letting the government keep it, I needed it to cover the cost of paying the tax guy. I need that money to live on. Trump and Biden don't. Both are independently wealthy. 

Where is there free services? I don't know of any and if it's free, doesn't that mean it's low quality? I don't trust things that are free. As I said before, I'm not messing with the IRS. I don't want to lose what little I have.

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You got money back? Why didn't you just let the government keep it? Because you aren't going to let them keep one plugged nickel more than they are entitled to keep, that's why. Same as the rest of us Trump and Biden included. And if you're filing an EZ you should look at the free services instead of paying someone, there's a bunch of folks who do it pro bono and it sounds like you've got better uses for the money than paying some shmuck to do it. I did the same thing for years too, it just chapped my [BLEEP] to give some guy 50 bucks to fill out a one page form.

No, technically I didn't get money back. I ended up $68 in the hole by the time I paid the tax guy the $79.99 he charged to fill it out. That was the cheapest price I could find for someone to do my taxes locally, here in Ohio. As for letting the government keep it, I needed it to cover the cost of paying the tax guy. I need that money to live on. Trump and Biden don't. Both are independently wealthy. 

Where is there free services? I don't know of any and if it's free, doesn't that mean it's low quality? I don't trust things that are free. As I said before, I'm not messing with the IRS. I don't want to lose what little I have.

Any big tax software has free services for basic filing. Turbotax, etc.

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I live paycheck to paycheck, so I have no money left over for retirement. I'll worry about that when the time comes. Hopefully, I'll get lucky and I'll be dead before retirement. As far as doing taxes, numbers are not my thing. I pay someone else to fill out my EZ form. I'm paranoid about the IRS coming after me, so I pay someone else to do it, because I don't trust myself not to make a mistake.

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?????? My last tax refund was less than what I paid the guy I hired to fill it out.

Why would you pay someone to do your taxes if they are that simple? You are getting hosed and the guy taking your money should be ashamed of himself.

I freak out when I see numbers. It's always been that way. I always did very well in school, except for math. I just don't trust myself when it comes to anything to do with numbers. I'd rather let someone else fill out the forms who knows what they are doing, rather than make a mistake, get audited and lose what little I own.

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No, technically I didn't get money back. I ended up $68 in the hole by the time I paid the tax guy the $79.99 he charged to fill it out. That was the cheapest price I could find for someone to do my taxes locally, here in Ohio. As for letting the government keep it, I needed it to cover the cost of paying the tax guy. I need that money to live on. Trump and Biden don't. Both are independently wealthy. 

Where is there free services? I don't know of any and if it's free, doesn't that mean it's low quality? I don't trust things that are free. As I said before, I'm not messing with the IRS. I don't want to lose what little I have.

Any big tax software has free services for basic filing. Turbotax, etc.

Don't I have to input numbers online though? I don't wanna have to do anything, because I don't trust myself not to make a mistake.

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Why would you pay someone to do your taxes if they are that simple? You are getting hosed and the guy taking your money should be ashamed of himself.

I freak out when I see numbers. It's always been that way. I always did very well in school, except for math. I just don't trust myself when it comes to anything to do with numbers. I'd rather let someone else fill out the forms who knows what they are doing, rather than make a mistake, get audited and lose what little I own.

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Any big tax software has free services for basic filing. Turbotax, etc.

Don't I have to input numbers online though? I don't wanna have to do anything, because I don't trust myself not to make a mistake.

Has all the answers on equality... for those under the age of 50 or so.  Has all the answers regarding the election and the appointment of a Supreme Court Justice.

Can't follow simple instructions and use the calculator in his pocket.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

You got money back? Why didn't you just let the government keep it? Because you aren't going to let them keep one plugged nickel more than they are entitled to keep, that's why. Same as the rest of us Trump and Biden included. And if you're filing an EZ you should look at the free services instead of paying someone, there's a bunch of folks who do it pro bono and it sounds like you've got better uses for the money than paying some shmuck to do it. I did the same thing for years too, it just chapped my [BLEEP] to give some guy 50 bucks to fill out a one page form.

No, technically I didn't get money back. I ended up $68 in the hole by the time I paid the tax guy the $79.99 he charged to fill it out. That was the cheapest price I could find for someone to do my taxes locally, here in Ohio. As for letting the government keep it, I needed it to cover the cost of paying the tax guy. I need that money to live on. Trump and Biden don't. Both are independently wealthy. 

Where is there free services? I don't know of any and if it's free, doesn't that mean it's low quality? I don't trust things that are free. As I said before, I'm not messing with the IRS. I don't want to lose what little I have.

Check your local United Way office, they can refer you to several different organizations (including accounting firms) that do EZ filing for no cost. And the idea that your need is more than someone else's isn't sufficient to justify confiscating what they have. That's a bad road to go down. And I'm an advocate of the Fair Tax, I believe it's a better solution than the Flat Tax. In any case, consumption based taxation is better than income based, but it can't be manipulated so it'll never happen.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Speak for yourself.

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Fake news.

Dude I've not even raised kids and I know about what schools are teaching kids. I'm my county kids are being taught from a very early age some sort of emotional social learning (ESL) crap that is teaching them to make decisions based on emotions instead of facts or logic. I also just learned kids as young as elementary school age are being given questionnaires regarding sexual activity, suicide ideation and drug use. All of this leading up to a socialist mindset. 

I was actually going to  start a discussion about it posting some of the questions posed to elementary, middle and high school students and ask if anyone else has kids in schools where this is going  on. It's truly disturbing what kids here in small town NC are being taught, I can't imagine bigger cities. I had a hard time going to sleep that night.

I was born into a family of public educators, both administrators and teachers. I am around active teachers much of my time. None of them see what you describe happening in their schools.

If anything, my own school education was politicized towards conservative thought. We had to take Americanism vs. Communism as a Civics requirement to graduate high school. Two teachers taught the class, a 70s hippie who organized an annual folk festival, and a retired Marine drill sergeant. Do you reckon their curriculum was identical?

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Dude I've not even raised kids and I know about what schools are teaching kids. I'm my county kids are being taught from a very early age some sort of emotional social learning (ESL) crap that is teaching them to make decisions based on emotions instead of facts or logic. I also just learned kids as young as elementary school age are being given questionnaires regarding sexual activity, suicide ideation and drug use. All of this leading up to a socialist mindset. 

I was actually going to  start a discussion about it posting some of the questions posed to elementary, middle and high school students and ask if anyone else has kids in schools where this is going  on. It's truly disturbing what kids here in small town NC are being taught, I can't imagine bigger cities. I had a hard time going to sleep that night.

I was born into a family of public educators, both administrators and teachers. I am around active teachers much of my time. None of them see what you describe happening in their schools.

If anything, my own school education was politicized towards conservative thought. We had to take Americanism vs. Communism as a Civics requirement to graduate high school. Two teachers taught the class, a 70s hippie who organized an annual folk festival, and a retired Marine drill sergeant. Do you reckon their curriculum was identical?

I do think that there is extreme bias in some of our public education indoctrination centers.  It's not only the curriculum that some schools have and the way that it is presented, but also the "social education" being taught.  As an example, students are not allowed to wear clothing that might be considered "offensive" or "harmful" to others.  That might be a student wearing a t-shirt with a gun on it.  The problem in this example is it could be used as a teaching moment regarding 1st Amendment and 2nd Amendment rights.  This is just one of many examples that I have seen lately.

Another example is the changing of Christmas stuff in schools.  It's no longer Christmas it's either "winter holiday" or "Xmas".  Why exactly have we celebrated that holiday for so long?  Why ban traditional Christmas songs from school concerts or plays such as "Silent Night"?  Again it could be a teaching moment, but yet the fact that the country was founded on Judaeo Christian belief is completely ignored.  This isn't a discussion about religion and nobody is saying that religion should be taught in schools, it's all about the history and traditions of the country.

What about the idea of "gender identity"?  Why did it all of the sudden become proper for boys to use the girl's bathroom/locker room and vice versa?  Where is the education regarding reproduction and family planning?

I could go on, but I think my point has been made regarding the education indoctrination in today's public schools.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Why would you pay someone to do your taxes if they are that simple? You are getting hosed and the guy taking your money should be ashamed of himself.

I freak out when I see numbers. It's always been that way. I always did very well in school, except for math. I just don't trust myself when it comes to anything to do with numbers. I'd rather let someone else fill out the forms who knows what they are doing, rather than make a mistake, get audited and lose what little I own.

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Any big tax software has free services for basic filing. Turbotax, etc.

Don't I have to input numbers online though? I don't wanna have to do anything, because I don't trust myself not to make a mistake.

I don’t care what side of the political aisle you’re on...for the love of god, stop paying someone to fill out your 1040ez form for you!!! You’re getting hosed!!!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

No, technically I didn't get money back. I ended up $68 in the hole by the time I paid the tax guy the $79.99 he charged to fill it out. That was the cheapest price I could find for someone to do my taxes locally, here in Ohio. As for letting the government keep it, I needed it to cover the cost of paying the tax guy. I need that money to live on. Trump and Biden don't. Both are independently wealthy. 

Where is there free services? I don't know of any and if it's free, doesn't that mean it's low quality? I don't trust things that are free. As I said before, I'm not messing with the IRS. I don't want to lose what little I have.

Check your local United Way office, they can refer you to several different organizations (including accounting firms) that do EZ filing for no cost. And the idea that your need is more than someone else's isn't sufficient to justify confiscating what they have. That's a bad road to go down. And I'm an advocate of the Fair Tax, I believe it's a better solution than the Flat Tax. In any case, consumption based taxation is better than income based, but it can't be manipulated so it'll never happen.

How is a flat tax unfair? I don't get it. Everyone is paying the same percentage of their income, so there should be no problem. I just don't get the argument at all. It's a level playing field. 

Thanks for the info about the United Way. I'll check that out next year. I wasn't aware they offered such services.

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I freak out when I see numbers. It's always been that way. I always did very well in school, except for math. I just don't trust myself when it comes to anything to do with numbers. I'd rather let someone else fill out the forms who knows what they are doing, rather than make a mistake, get audited and lose what little I own.

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Don't I have to input numbers online though? I don't wanna have to do anything, because I don't trust myself not to make a mistake.

I don’t care what side of the political aisle you’re on...for the love of god, stop paying someone to fill out your 1040ez form for you!!! You’re getting hosed!!!

The first non-partisan issue we can all agree on. Until Mike comes in...

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Check your local United Way office, they can refer you to several different organizations (including accounting firms) that do EZ filing for no cost. And the idea that your need is more than someone else's isn't sufficient to justify confiscating what they have. That's a bad road to go down. And I'm an advocate of the Fair Tax, I believe it's a better solution than the Flat Tax. In any case, consumption based taxation is better than income based, but it can't be manipulated so it'll never happen.

How is a flat tax unfair? I don't get it. Everyone is paying the same percentage of their income, so there should be no problem. I just don't get the argument at all. It's a level playing field. 

Thanks for the info about the United Way. I'll check that out next year. I wasn't aware they offered such services.

A flat tax is based on income.  The Fair Tax is based on consumption.  The difference is with a "flat tax" you are basically penalizing someone for making a good salary even if they choose to save their money rather than spend it.  It also only applies to people actually earning an income.

The Fair Tax on the other hand taxes people on what they spend, not what they earn.  It also applies to those not earning income.  Think the "underground economy" such as illegal aliens working for cash, prostitutes, drug dealers, etc.  Any time anyone buys something new they are taxed.  The rate would be the same for ALL people, not just those that actually earn an income.  Go buy a new car?  You get taxed X% whether it's a $20,000.00 car or a $100,000.00 car.

That's a very brief explanation of it and the basic idea of it.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Why would you pay someone to do your taxes if they are that simple? You are getting hosed and the guy taking your money should be ashamed of himself.

I freak out when I see numbers. It's always been that way. I always did very well in school, except for math. I just don't trust myself when it comes to anything to do with numbers. I'd rather let someone else fill out the forms who knows what they are doing, rather than make a mistake, get audited and lose what little I own.

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Any big tax software has free services for basic filing. Turbotax, etc.

Don't I have to input numbers online though? I don't wanna have to do anything, because I don't trust myself not to make a mistake.

I made a mistake on my taxes once, maybe 10 years ago. about 6 months later, the treasury department sent me a letter saying I owed a couple hundred bucks more than I had paid. The letter had a bunch of big scary words in it, and it took me a couple of read-throughs to understand what the problem was, but I signed the forms and sent the check, and never heard about it again. I think there was a penalty, but it was pretty small, maybe $20 if memory serves.
It's good that you don't want to make a mistake, but you shouldn't be afraid to make one.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I freak out when I see numbers. It's always been that way. I always did very well in school, except for math. I just don't trust myself when it comes to anything to do with numbers. I'd rather let someone else fill out the forms who knows what they are doing, rather than make a mistake, get audited and lose what little I own.

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Don't I have to input numbers online though? I don't wanna have to do anything, because I don't trust myself not to make a mistake.

I made a mistake on my taxes once, maybe 10 years ago. about 6 months later, the treasury department sent me a letter saying I owed a couple hundred bucks more than I had paid. The letter had a bunch of big scary words in it, and it took me a couple of read-throughs to understand what the problem was, but I signed the forms and sent the check, and never heard about it again. I think there was a penalty, but it was pretty small, maybe $20 if memory serves.
It's good that you don't want to make a mistake, but you shouldn't be afraid to make one.

Crikey!  Did we just have 100% agreement on something?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

I freak out when I see numbers. It's always been that way. I always did very well in school, except for math. I just don't trust myself when it comes to anything to do with numbers. I'd rather let someone else fill out the forms who knows what they are doing, rather than make a mistake, get audited and lose what little I own.

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Don't I have to input numbers online though? I don't wanna have to do anything, because I don't trust myself not to make a mistake.

I made a mistake on my taxes once, maybe 10 years ago. about 6 months later, the treasury department sent me a letter saying I owed a couple hundred bucks more than I had paid. The letter had a bunch of big scary words in it, and it took me a couple of read-throughs to understand what the problem was, but I signed the forms and sent the check, and never heard about it again. I think there was a penalty, but it was pretty small, maybe $20 if memory serves.
It's good that you don't want to make a mistake, but you shouldn't be afraid to make one.

I think you got scammed.

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How is a flat tax unfair? I don't get it. Everyone is paying the same percentage of their income, so there should be no problem. I just don't get the argument at all. It's a level playing field. 

Thanks for the info about the United Way. I'll check that out next year. I wasn't aware they offered such services.

A flat tax is based on income.  The Fair Tax is based on consumption.  The difference is with a "flat tax" you are basically penalizing someone for making a good salary even if they choose to save their money rather than spend it.  It also only applies to people actually earning an income.

The Fair Tax on the other hand taxes people on what they spend, not what they earn.  It also applies to those not earning income.  Think the "underground economy" such as illegal aliens working for cash, prostitutes, drug dealers, etc.  Any time anyone buys something new they are taxed.  The rate would be the same for ALL people, not just those that actually earn an income.  Go buy a new car?  You get taxed X% whether it's a $20,000.00 car or a $100,000.00 car.

That's a very brief explanation of it and the basic idea of it.

You will never mature as a citizen as long as you keep calling taxes penalties.
A penalty is something the government charges you with for your specific situation because you specifically did something wrong, like when I made a mistake on my taxes.
But when everyone who earns a certain amount of money or spends a certain amount of money has to pay the same thing, that's not a penalty anymore. That's just a tax.
Anyhow, you're right that taxing sales makes the base broader and ropes in people who don't pay federal taxes today.
But there's another group of people, that does file federal taxes, but has a very low wage. They might be paying less than 10% of their income in federal taxes now. It would be nice to tell them they can pay zero income tax, but if you turn around and make them pay a 25% or 30% federal sales tax, obviously that's not a good deal for them.

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I made a mistake on my taxes once, maybe 10 years ago. about 6 months later, the treasury department sent me a letter saying I owed a couple hundred bucks more than I had paid. The letter had a bunch of big scary words in it, and it took me a couple of read-throughs to understand what the problem was, but I signed the forms and sent the check, and never heard about it again. I think there was a penalty, but it was pretty small, maybe $20 if memory serves.
It's good that you don't want to make a mistake, but you shouldn't be afraid to make one.

I think you got scammed.

The check said pay to the order of United States Treasury. 
I can't imagine a bank would cash such a check without proper identification. Plus the letter had really specific information about what numbers were on what line of my 1040.
If that was all from a fraudster, I tell you it was the ballsiest fraudster I ever heard of.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.