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How Vulnerable is the Division in 2021?

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(02-07-2021, 05:39 PM)D6 Wrote:
(02-06-2021, 09:35 AM)Bullseye Wrote: To me, even assuming they get premium price for Wentz, there is still the issue of firing a Super Bowl winning coach.  If Pederson and the front office disagreed over whether Wentz is still a starting QB for the team, and you end up trading Wentz (ultimately agreeing with Pederson), then why not defer to the coach, move on from Wentz and keep Pederson?!?

Then there's also the issue of where the Colts go from here, if we assume the reports of the Bears winning a bidding war form Wentz' services is true.  Irsay himself has debunked the rumors of Luck coming out of retirement.  What do the Colts do at QB if all of this is true?  There is talk of the 49ers and Vikings swapping QBs.  The Packers have been adamant they have no intent to trade Aaron Rodgers.  Big Ben's situation in Pittsburgh is questionable due to his age and their salary cap situation.  https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agent...s-or-goes/
In a year where the salary cap may decrease due to reduced revenues, it's questionable whether the Steelers can keep him, and it's questionable what trade market there will be for a 39 year old QB with so big of a contract.  Watson?  It's doubtful the Colts could muster the draft capital to pull off a trade, and that's assuming the Texans would be willing to trade Watson within the division.

It seems likely that Jeff Lurie and Howie Roseman are on the verge of going 180 degrees on whether to trade Carson Wentz because the trade compensation would be much higher than they anticipated a month ago.  

Even if the Colts could acquire Ben Roethlisberger at a favorable trade price from the Steelers,  I have serious doubts 'Big Ben' at this stage of his great NFL playing career will be able to lead the Colts deep in the playoffs.  

There are two QB possibilities that come to mind for the Colts. They differ greatly:

A safer option is trading for Panthers QB Teddy Bridgewater. 

A more daring option with greater upside but greater risk is the Colts trading for Jets QB Sam Darnold. 

From Peter King's article in PFT this morning...


Quote:2. Carson Wentz. The Eagles are on the verge of trading him, per Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen. After Wentz’s landing spot (Indianapolis and Chicago are the most likely trade partners), the biggest issue to me is compensation. I asked one smart football person in the league the other day what logical compensation would be. “I don’t know what ‘logical’ means anymore,” this person said. “What kind of logical was the Stafford-Goff trade?” Last week, of course, the Rams traded Jared Goff plus a 2021 third-round pick and first-round picks in 2022 and ’23 for Matthew Stafford, who turns 33 this offseason and has never won a division title nor a playoff game in 12 years with the Lions.

The problem with divining proper trade value, of course, is figuring out what Wentz is right now. He played poorly in 2020 in Philadelphia, did not respond well to coaching, had a mental divorce with coach Doug Pederson, and will need both his head and arm fixed with a new team. Let’s say Chicago and Indianapolis are the top candidates. We know the Colts are interested; former Wentz offensive coordinator Frank Reich is the head coach. The Bears have 2017 Wentz-golden-year QB coach John DeFilippo as their quarterback coach. Chicago has the 20th pick in the first round, Indianapolis the 21st. My guess, and that’s all it is, is that the Bears would be more interested in trading the 20th pick plus something for Wentz than the Colts would in trading the 21st pick plus something for him. Why? The Bears are the more desperate team in 2021; coach Matt Nagy and GM Ryan Pace know their jobs are on the line, while Reich and GM Chris Ballard are solid as rocks in Indianapolis. I think Chicago would pay more in present value than Indy.

 

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RE: How Vulnerable is the Division in 2021? - by Bullseye - 02-08-2021, 10:32 AM
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