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(This post was last modified: 08-05-2021, 12:18 PM by The Real Marty.)

(08-05-2021, 11:03 AM)jagibelieve Wrote: https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1...6950431751

Saying she's "driving the agenda on the left" is like saying Marjorie Taylor Greene is driving the agenda on the right.  Neither one is true.  

I wish this country could get away from demonizing our "enemies" with obvious lies and get back to talking about actual issues.
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(08-05-2021, 11:03 AM)jagibelieve Wrote: https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1...6950431751

Get real.  Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema are the ones "driving the agenda" for both parties.  Pelosi and Biden have a bit of initiative on their own, but everything at the moment goes through Joe and Krysten.
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Does that woman not realize she's saying she is more important than the people who voted for her? 

I feel for the people who have legitimately been affected by unwarranted police violence and I believe bad cops should be unemployed and held responsible for their actions. I know there are legit reasons why some feel like cops are not protectors. I get it. But to say, 'defund all police' while you pay for private security is unbelievable. 

She says she's had threats on her life, and I believe it, but social media threats or letters in the mail is nothing like the constant threat of life in an unsafe and unstable neighborhood where you can be sitting on your couch on a random day and be shot by drive-by gunfire. I've lived in such a neighborhood. Many years ago I lived two houses down from a drug house that had constant traffic after sunset and violence was regular. The guy finally died when he answered his door one day and was shot point blank. 

Are the people in these neighborhoods part of the problem? The ones who are the criminals, yes. But there is a whole lot of collateral damage of the innocent people who are just trying to get by and have no choice but to live where they do. 

This woman is saying their lives don't matter when she's focusing on defunding police instead of dealing with the criminal element.
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(08-05-2021, 12:25 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-05-2021, 11:03 AM)jagibelieve Wrote: https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1...6950431751

Get real.  Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema are the ones "driving the agenda" for both parties.  Pelosi and Biden have a bit of initiative on their own, but everything at the moment goes through Joe and Krysten.

There's a difference between driving an agenda and acting as a safeguard. Manchin and Sinema aren't "driving" anything.
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(08-05-2021, 12:17 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(08-05-2021, 11:03 AM)jagibelieve Wrote: https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1...6950431751

Saying she's "driving the agenda on the left" is like saying Marjorie Taylor Greene is driving the agenda on the right.  Neither one is true.  

I wish this country could get away from demonizing our "enemies" with obvious lies and get back to talking about actual issues.

So perhaps is should have been "she's driving the agenda of the far left" and "Marjorie Taylor Greene is driving the agenda of the far right".  The problem is that current legislation that is being proposed includes much of the former and little from the latter.

(08-05-2021, 12:25 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-05-2021, 11:03 AM)jagibelieve Wrote: https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1...6950431751

Get real.  Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema are the ones "driving the agenda" for both parties.  Pelosi and Biden have a bit of initiative on their own, but everything at the moment goes through Joe and Krysten.

Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema seem to be the only reasonable and sensible democrats at the moment.


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(08-05-2021, 12:17 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(08-05-2021, 11:03 AM)jagibelieve Wrote: https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1...6950431751

Saying she's "driving the agenda on the left" is like saying Marjorie Taylor Greene is driving the agenda on the right.  Neither one is true.  

I wish this country could get away from demonizing our "enemies" with obvious lies and get back to talking about actual issues.

(08-05-2021, 12:25 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-05-2021, 11:03 AM)jagibelieve Wrote: https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1...6950431751

Get real.  Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema are the ones "driving the agenda" for both parties.  Pelosi and Biden have a bit of initiative on their own, but everything at the moment goes through Joe and Krysten.

So no comments on what she was actually saying? You just have an issue with saying shes “driving the agenda”?
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(08-05-2021, 12:17 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(08-05-2021, 11:03 AM)jagibelieve Wrote: https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1...6950431751

Saying she's "driving the agenda on the left" is like saying Marjorie Taylor Greene is driving the agenda on the right.  Neither one is true.  

I wish this country could get away from demonizing our "enemies" with obvious lies and get back to talking about actual issues.

The issue here is our politicians feel entitled and elite.  It is nothing new mind you but now one side has been so emboldened they don’t even try to hide it.  I cannot believe anyone that cast a vote for these people is not enraged.
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(08-05-2021, 03:24 PM)copycat Wrote:
(08-05-2021, 12:17 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Saying she's "driving the agenda on the left" is like saying Marjorie Taylor Greene is driving the agenda on the right.  Neither one is true.  

I wish this country could get away from demonizing our "enemies" with obvious lies and get back to talking about actual issues.

The issue here is our politicians feel entitled and elite.  It is nothing new mind you but now one side has been so emboldened they don’t even try to hide it.  I cannot believe anyone that cast a vote for these people is not enraged.

You can't believe it because you misunderstand their reasons for voting the way they did.
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(08-05-2021, 05:22 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-05-2021, 03:24 PM)copycat Wrote: The issue here is our politicians feel entitled and elite.  It is nothing new mind you but now one side has been so emboldened they don’t even try to hide it.  I cannot believe anyone that cast a vote for these people is not enraged.

You can't believe it because you misunderstand their reasons for voting the way they did.

Why do you think people voted for her?  Please help us all "understand" why people would vote for her ilk?


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(08-05-2021, 05:42 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:
(08-05-2021, 05:22 PM)mikesez Wrote: You can't believe it because you misunderstand their reasons for voting the way they did.

Why do you think people voted for her?  Please help us all "understand" why people would vote for her ilk?

People have all different reasons.
Here's one you won't like: they voted for the Democrats so they could get more sweet stimulus checks.
I don't like that reason either.
But why would the people who voted this way care if the politician that's helping them pay their bills has an elite lifestyle or holds themselves above the common people?
Think about the people who help you pay your bills. Do you care about their attitudes or lifestyle? Probably not. You care about if they are going to keep employing and or patronizing you.
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(08-05-2021, 05:22 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-05-2021, 03:24 PM)copycat Wrote: The issue here is our politicians feel entitled and elite.  It is nothing new mind you but now one side has been so emboldened they don’t even try to hide it.  I cannot believe anyone that cast a vote for these people is not enraged.

You can't believe it because you misunderstand their reasons for voting the way they did.

You are absolutely right.  I will never understand the mindset of supporting an individual that promises to help the people but as soon as they get elected goes Marie Antoinette.
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(08-05-2021, 03:01 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote:
(08-05-2021, 12:17 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Saying she's "driving the agenda on the left" is like saying Marjorie Taylor Greene is driving the agenda on the right.  Neither one is true.  

I wish this country could get away from demonizing our "enemies" with obvious lies and get back to talking about actual issues.

(08-05-2021, 12:25 PM)mikesez Wrote: Get real.  Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema are the ones "driving the agenda" for both parties.  Pelosi and Biden have a bit of initiative on their own, but everything at the moment goes through Joe and Krysten.

So no comments on what she was actually saying? You just have an issue with saying shes “driving the agenda”?


That's correct, I had no comment on what she's saying.  I just had an issue with saying she's driving the agenda.  She's not.  And for Scott Walker to say she is tells me that Scott Walker is not an honest person.  He knows better.  

But if you seriously want me to comment on what she's saying, my comment is that she is a wacko.  Very few people want to actually defund the police.  I certainly don't.  I think we need more police.  And we need to support the ones we have a lot better than we do.

But to say she's "driving the agenda" is ridiculously dishonest.   It's a typical political ploy to pick out the wackiest, most extreme person in the other party and say, "See?  They're all like that."  That's what Rush Limbaugh did for decades.   And it's completely dishonest and manipulative.
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(08-06-2021, 09:33 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(08-05-2021, 03:01 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: So no comments on what she was actually saying? You just have an issue with saying shes “driving the agenda”?


That's correct, I had no comment on what she's saying.  I just had an issue with saying she's driving the agenda.  She's not.  And for Scott Walker to say she is tells me that Scott Walker is not an honest person.  He knows better.  

But if you seriously want me to comment on what she's saying, my comment is that she is a wacko.  Very few people want to actually defund the police.  I certainly don't.  I think we need more police.  And we need to support the ones we have a lot better than we do.

But to say she's "driving the agenda" is ridiculously dishonest.

But it wasn't the small voices of the ones who wanted to defund the police that matter. It was the larger voices.

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We need to define what we mean by driving the agenda.
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The definition of agenda is 'a list or outline of things to be considered or done' and 'an underlying often ideological plan or program.'

My idea of "driving the agenda" is when people or groups seize on an idea and push everything toward that idea whether it's relevant or logical. Taking things out of context and using it to fit a narrative. Only telling one side of a story. Confirmation bias. Echo chambers. People who don't care to see another perspective because they don't agree with the subject. Like, I can disagree with someone about something but also see why they see it the way they do.

There is not just one thing that goes into "driving the agenda". It's passive and aggressive. It's words and images. Campaigning is the ultimate. Sometimes more than one agenda is being driven. We see it all the time here.

The lunatic Cori Bush is driving the defund the police agenda which is also a progressive left agenda. To say she isn't is false. Both sides have an agenda and both sides drive it using everything they can to accomplish their "mission".

JMHO
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(08-07-2021, 12:11 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: The definition of agenda is 'a list or outline of things to be considered or done' and 'an underlying often ideological plan or program.'

My idea of "driving the agenda" is when people or groups seize on an idea and push everything toward that idea whether it's relevant or logical. Taking things out of context and using it to fit a narrative. Only telling one side of a story. Confirmation bias. Echo chambers. People who don't care to see another perspective because they don't agree with the subject. Like, I can disagree with someone about something but also see why they see it the way they do.

There is not just one thing that goes into "driving the agenda". It's passive and aggressive. It's words and images. Campaigning is the ultimate. Sometimes more than one agenda is being driven. We see it all the time here.

The lunatic Cori Bush is driving the defund the police agenda which is also a progressive left agenda. To say she isn't is false. Both sides have an agenda and both sides drive it using everything they can to accomplish their "mission".

JMHO

Well said. I would add to that the left does it with assistance, or at the very least lack of criticality, from the media.
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(08-07-2021, 12:28 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(08-07-2021, 12:11 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: The definition of agenda is 'a list or outline of things to be considered or done' and 'an underlying often ideological plan or program.'

My idea of "driving the agenda" is when people or groups seize on an idea and push everything toward that idea whether it's relevant or logical. Taking things out of context and using it to fit a narrative. Only telling one side of a story. Confirmation bias. Echo chambers. People who don't care to see another perspective because they don't agree with the subject. Like, I can disagree with someone about something but also see why they see it the way they do.

There is not just one thing that goes into "driving the agenda". It's passive and aggressive. It's words and images. Campaigning is the ultimate. Sometimes more than one agenda is being driven. We see it all the time here.

The lunatic Cori Bush is driving the defund the police agenda which is also a progressive left agenda. To say she isn't is false. Both sides have an agenda and both sides drive it using everything they can to accomplish their "mission".

JMHO

Well said. I would add to that the left does it with assistance, or at the very least lack of criticality, from the media.

It is so sad that the fourth tenant of government chose a side.  Everyone suffers but only half of us see.
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(08-07-2021, 12:28 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(08-07-2021, 12:11 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: The definition of agenda is 'a list or outline of things to be considered or done' and 'an underlying often ideological plan or program.'

My idea of "driving the agenda" is when people or groups seize on an idea and push everything toward that idea whether it's relevant or logical. Taking things out of context and using it to fit a narrative. Only telling one side of a story. Confirmation bias. Echo chambers. People who don't care to see another perspective because they don't agree with the subject. Like, I can disagree with someone about something but also see why they see it the way they do.

There is not just one thing that goes into "driving the agenda". It's passive and aggressive. It's words and images. Campaigning is the ultimate. Sometimes more than one agenda is being driven. We see it all the time here.

The lunatic Cori Bush is driving the defund the police agenda which is also a progressive left agenda. To say she isn't is false. Both sides have an agenda and both sides drive it using everything they can to accomplish their "mission".

JMHO

Well said. I would add to that the left does it with assistance, or at the very least lack of criticality, from the media.

Thanks. And you're right about the media. My husband was watching a Tucker Carlson clip on youtube and I had to walk out of the room. The man can be correct or factual in what he is saying but has to add the insults or condescending tone to up the ante. It's just as tiring as the rest of them with their overt worship of the left. 

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