(05-29-2021, 04:00 PM)Tank Commander Wrote:

(05-29-2021, 12:20 PM)Bullseye Wrote: Surely you jest!

It's most interesting you should reference the defense the way you did instead of referencing the impact he made on the offense-you know...the side of the ball on which he actually played.  I would say it was an advisable strategy, were the end results not so laughable.  Please allow me to elaborate.  

First off, in 2011 under Orton, the Broncos averaged 21 ppg.  Under Tebow, Denver averaged 18.69 ppg.  In Orton's 5 starts, the Broncos scored 20 points or more 4 times.  In Tebow's 11 starts, the Broncos scored 20 points or more three times.  Under Orton, the Broncos averaged 201.8 ypg passing.  Tebow, OTOH, produced 157 YPG passing.   Orton's completion percentage was 12 points higher than Tebow's (58.7-46.5), had a higher TD % (5.2-4.4) and despite playing in less than half of the games he threw for only 4 fewer TDs.   than Tebow (12-8).  Orton Averaged 31 attempts per game.  Tebow had about 6.4 fewer attempts.  Keep in mind, Denver's head coach at the time was Josh McDaniels, who came from New England.  While with the Patriots, he believed in passing the football.  But he couldn't implement that philosophy with Tebow.  Tebow couldn't pass the ball effectively or consistently good.

Denver took more of a conservative approach when Tebow took over as starter.  Aside from the fewer attempts per game, the fewer yards per game, and the lower completion percentage, Denver decided to run the ball more.  Tebow added considerably to the Broncos rushing efforts.  They averaged 23.6 rushes per game under Orton, and almost 39 attempts under Tebow.  So despite the fact the QBs most important function is throwing the ball, under Tebow, the team took a decidedly more conservative approach.
 
Yes, the team played better defensively than they did the year before.  Call me crazy, but I would think that's more attributable to a guy named Von Miller, who was drafted in 2011, than it is to Tebow.  Now the defense might have felt they had to play better to compensate for Tebow's incompetence at QB, but it isn't as though Tebow waved his magic wand and the defense played better.

But aside from the individual and team numbers, the ultimate proof of Tebow's worth as a QB is seen in what Denver did the following offseason.  Despite spending a first round pick on him in 2010 and their playoff run in 2011, Denver traded Tebow away and brought in an aging Peyton Manning.  You tacitly asserted Tebow was the catalyst to Denver's improvement from the year before.  But I would assert firing the overmatched Josh McDaniels and bringing aboard John Fox (who coached Carolina to their first Super Bowl) to coach them, and adding  pass rusher like Von Miller had more to do with Denver's improvement from 2010-2011 than Tebow did.  But perhaps you could explain, if Tebow's QBing ability, leadership and other intangibles were so great he willed the Broncos to win, why would Denver trade him away?  Why would Denver have improved so dramatically from Tebow's 2011 without the man who was supposedly so critical to their success the year before?  Since you are so concerned with the preservation of verifiable history, could you offer the factual, historical basis explaining why Denver was able to get rid of the guy so critical to their "success" in 2011, get an aging veteran to replace him, and improve the offensive output, the W-L record and the post season accomplishments without him, while a healthy Tebow never made anything close to the impact he had with Denver, much less the impact of other QBs?  

Verifiable history shows that individually, Tebow was less productive as a passer than his predecessor, the Denver offense as a whole was less productive under Tebow than it was under Orton in terms of points per game, and that the Broncos went on to far greater improvement and success after Tebow was dealt away, while Tebow never made an impact anywhere else he played.  I would offer apologies for hurting your feelings, but Tebow cultists are so insufferable, insistent, myopic and obnoxious I'm not particularly apologetic.

What was the Broncos record under Kyle Orton in 2010?