(05-29-2021, 10:52 PM)Bullseye Wrote:

(05-29-2021, 08:53 PM)Tank Commander Wrote: Sounds like you weren't following the NFL in 2011 and are just relying on stats now.

Elway wanted to get rid of Tebow from the beginning as that was Josh McDaniel's pick before Elway took over.
He was hoping to just start Tebow so Tebow could fail and then they could move on.
Unfortunately for Elway, Tebow kept winning, week after week and making Elway look stupid into the playoffs against the Steelers.
This made it hard to get rid of Tebow in Denver but luckily for Elway, Manning choose Denver and so Elway had an out since you had a HOF QB. (Elway really lucked out there because Elway's not the best evaluator of QB talent: Brock Osweiler, Paxton Lynch. Kind of like the Michael Jordan of the NFL)

At that point the mistake he made was being traded to the Jets instead of the Jags. He didn't account for a snake like Butt Fumble Mark Sanchez who spent his entire career and all his energy with the Jets just playing political games to keep his starting job rather than be a real quarterback. So he really never had a fair shot at the Jets and his reputation was ruined because of it. Really though that was Tebow's fault for going to a media circus like New York and for being naive to think that Butt Fumble was his friend.

After that he was basically blackballed and labelled an athletic QB who couldn't pass and that was the end of his career.

At this stage in his career it's probably too late for him to be an effective QB.  Like Kapernick and RGIII, he still has issues with his mechanics and is too run reliant.

But I think he will still be an effective goal line and shortyardage back/QB, must like he was his freshman year with the Gators when they would take Chris Leak out and bring Tebow in for automatic TDs. All this tight end nonsense is just that because he has non of the traits that make an effective tight end in this league.

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Poor example.  Not sure why you are brining up Ponder or McNown who aren't that athletic. And Ponder is small and frail as well as not being athletic.

Better examples would have been spread read option guys like RGIII or Kapernick.

1.  I have been following NFL football since 1977.  I have not stopped following football at any time between then and now.  That covers the 2011 season.

2.  I have heard various versions of the Elway wanted to get rid of Tebow propaganda.  Some have theorized that a larger than life figure in Denver who amassed a first ballot Hall of Fame career with five Super Bowl appearances (XXI, XXII, XXIV, XXXII, XXXIII) and two Super Bowl victories (XXXII, XXXIII) was somehow threatened by or jealous of Tebow's popularity.  Some have posited the religious bias angle.  Yet none have offered a scintilla of actual objective, verifiable proof of any of this.  

3.  Elway has had problems drafting QBs over the years.  With this admission in mind, I would assert as a Hall of Fame QB himself who has learned the position from some of the best coaches in NFL history knows a little bit more about the position than most Tebow fans., Elway understands the position better than most.

4.  Even assuming Elway somehow lucked out with Manning's availability and was able to execute his nefarious plan to rid Denver of Tebow, it does not, in any way, explain the reticence of 31 other teams to pay more than a middling 4th round pick for him or to give him a shot at starting QB.  If Tebow played superbly at the most important and most difficult position to fill in sports and became available to every team, I guarantee he would have commanded more than a 4th round pick.  I guarantee more than two teams would have offered to trade for him.  I've yet to hear a Tebow apologist explain the lack of interest in Tebow after his supposedly brilliant 2011.  I have yet to hear a rational, fact based argument showing how Elway getting rid of Tebow was the wrong move.  I have yet to hear a rational fact based argument showing how 31 other teams who refused to give Tebow a shot at starting QB after 2011 made a mistake.

5.  McNown and Ponder were athletic.  As athletic as say, Vick or Kaepernick?  Perhaps not, but still athletic compared to many other QBs (especially McNown).  But even taking your assessment of the quality of the examples as accurate, the  underlying question still stands unaddressed by you. If athletic mobile QBs who cannot function effectively within the pocket as passers are of limited use/value as starting NFL QBs, what makes that analysis NOT apply to Tebow?

1. Then you choose to omit things or misremember what happened. You failed to mentions Elway's bad talent evaluation or desire to get rid of Tebow during the 2011 season until it was brought up.

2. Irrelevant. It really doesn't matter why Elway wanted to get rid of Tebow. The fact is that he did get want to get rid of him and his behavior and actions indicate such. It's actually quite normal for a new GM to come in and want to clean house on the actions of previous GMs' so not sure why it's important to you what those reasons were. 

3. You yourself admit that Elway has a problem identifying talent. Someone who knew what he was doing in terms of the QB position doesn't trade up for Paxton Lynch and pass up on Dak Prescott or miss identifying Pat Mahomes as a must get.  This puts Elway's evaluation of the QB position in the modern game in question. He's just not great at evaluating just like Michael Jordan is a horrible talent evaluator despite being the greatest player ever.

4. Is irrelevant because Elway did want to get rid of Tebow. He drafted his son's roommate, Brock Osweiiler in the 2nd round and signed Manning, which pretty much assured Tebow was gone given Tebow's 1st round salary. It was obvious to every other team that Elway wanted to get rid of Tebow so why on earth would anyone pay a high price to get him.

5. Still odd that you bring up McNown and Ponder. Both are smaller and frailer and only a little bit athletic. Different body types and players. And neither has won at any level college or pro. So I can only assume you picked those two for one reason as a comp for Tebow.

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