(05-30-2021, 06:41 PM)Tank Commander Wrote:

(05-30-2021, 02:54 PM)Bullseye Wrote: 1.  I could completely omit Elway from the discussion and still offer a compelling argument as to why Tebow was wholly unqualified to be an NFL QB.  Your grasping at Elway's draft misses at the position reeks of desperation, and still does not improve Tebow's numbers in any way, nor does it change the fact that no team AFTER Denver got rid of Tebow felt particularly inclined to give Tebow a shot as a starting QB.  You have completely dodged this point in every single one of your posts.  Why?  Do you somehow assert every team had a John Elway who was totally incapable of evaluating the QB position and had an axe to grind against Tebow? What of my argument about knowing which QBs to keep and which to cut?  Do you argue that a team making a personnel mistake or even several at the position mean that every decision at the position was a mistake?  Do you somehow assert that because the Jaguars made mistakes in drafting Gabbert and Bortles it was somehow a mistake to cut Tanner Lee?

2.  No I have no answer as to why Elway made those decisions because they are immaterial to the discussion at hand.  A team could be incorrect in drafting a certain player but correct in getting rid of another.  Furthermore, there is a lot that goes into drafting or executing a trade up to be able to draft a player (Mahomes).  Denver was not in a position to draft Mahomes at their original draft position.  They would have had to spend their own first round pick from that year, but the following year's first round pick.  But Tebow was already on the roster.  The team didn't have to trade up to acquire him like they would have had to with Mahomes or Watson.  He had a full season as an understudy and another as the majority starter yet not even head coach John Fox seemed to offer much objection to trading Tebow.  I could see making the move for Manning.  Once in a lifetime opportunity.  But if Elway and Fox were sold on Tebow's potential, they could have kept him on the bench until Manning retired, extended his contract and let Tebow take over and avoid the draft mishaps.  But they didn't.  They got rid of him, and no subsequent team gave him a shot at QB.  Again, you have not addressed this point.

3.  This article shows how Manning choosing Denver vindicates Elway.  Why Did Peyton Manning Sign With the Denver Broncos? (businessinsider.com).  A non QB ay not have appreciated the importance of system continuity the way Elway, a former QB, did.

4.  Tebow was never in an AFC championship game.  That win over Pittsburgh was the Wildcard round.  The 45-10 blowout loss to New England was the divisional round.  As for the respect that should be afforded Tebow, that is a good question.

How much respect should be afforded to a QB that lasted all of two seasons with the team that drafted him, who never got another starting QB gig anywhere else in the league, who has a career completion percentage of 48 in an era designed by rules changes implemented decades ago to accommodate passing games, who has less than 20 career TD passes, and has never gone beyond the divisional round of the playoffs?

As for whether guys like Christian Ponder are somehow beneath comparison to Tebow?

Here's Ponder's career numbers.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...ndCh00.htm

Here's Blaine Gabbert's https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...bbBl00.htm

Here's Tim Couch's https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...ucTi00.htm

E.J. Manuel
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...nuEJ00.htm

JP Losman
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...smJ.00.htm

Kyle Boller:  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...llKy00.htm

Here's Tebow's:  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...boTi00.htm

Now feel free to let me know when I reach a guy among these busts who Tebow statistically blows out of the water as a passer so that a comparison is totally unwarranted.

So good to see that you are conceding on the Elway nonsense.  The Michael Jordan of QB talent evaluation.

You are moving the goal posts however with EJ Manuel, Couch, Losman, Boller.
Let me ask you this. How many NFL playoff games and NCAA National Championships did Ponder/Gabbert/Couch/EJ Maneul/Losman/Boller win?

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(05-30-2021, 05:59 PM)RicoTx Wrote: Well yeah.  He wasn't very good.

By the way.  Word of advice.  Stick to three cone times.  You're not clever enough to be funny.

Your a Tebow fan. Nobody watches all of Tebow's Broncos games if they aren't a fan of his.
You'll be the first to jump back on the bandwagon when Tlaw and Tebow start winning with the Jags.