(05-31-2021, 08:55 AM)Bullseye Wrote:

(05-31-2021, 08:03 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: Yeah, I disagree.. We just went through hell and back because of the draft, or should I say, because of Meyer's draft choices.

But why would you expect anything else?

Before every draft there is pro and con debate over various subjects.

Which direction should the team go?

Offense or defense?

Trade up, trade down, or stand pat?

Is player A good or not?  Who should we take between two different players?

While I don't always agree with the conclusions a poster or posters will reach (nor they mine), most of the debate and disagreements are reasoned and have the Jaguars best interests at heart.  However, none of these discussions involve the Jaguars' brass.  We will link to various clips or quotes from team officials or coaches trying to get some indicia of what they are thinking, while also hoping they don't tip their hands to the other teams.

So when the Jaguars actually pick the players, why would the dynamic change any if the pre draft debate was earnest, honest, impassioned, and engaged with the Jaguars best interest at heart?  If the Jaguars have the temerity to actually disagree with some of our takes
 and go in different directions, why wouldn't there be some disagreement?  

It stands to reason there would be some pro-con debate afterwards.  Those who were opposed to drafting a RB in the first round before the draft won't be pleased when the Jaguars take a RB in the first round, whether it was UM pulling the trigger on the move or some other coach.  Those who strongly advocated for a TE pre draft are naturally going to strongly express their disappointment when no TE at all is drafted by the team, and the only attempts to upgrade the position are Chris Manhertz and Tim Tebow.  That would have happened no matter who the coach was.  It wasn't going to be simply an UM thing.  

I will say that after the 2014 and 2016 draft, this board was pretty much uniform in being happy about what the Jaguars draft produced.  Very few complaints to be heard.  It turns out, those drafts wound up pretty good.

However, I hasten to add the overall tenor of the board in the immediate aftermath of the 2009-20111 drafts was "in Gene we trust."  Almost everyone here rubber stamped their approval on everything the team did.  Where did that get us?  Did the general lack of dissent make those drafts any better?  No.  I get no  satisfaction being one of the few voices of dissent in those years, because it means the Jaguars were unsuccessful.  I'm sure if you polled those critical of this year's draft for whatever reasons, you'd see a similar sentiment.

I can't recall a single voice of dissent over the Trevor Lawrence pick among the regulars on this board.  Subsequent picks?  Yes, there was disagreement.  But again, why is that unexpected?

To be honest, the only thing I care about is that the team got it right.

There's always going to be disagreement with whatever decision will be made with this team going forward, I understand that. People have the right to voice their concerns over certain players, staff, coaches ect. And you're correct, most people would still be complaining no matter which coach was that offered Tebow a contract, I get that. The point was raised that, the hatred for Meyer as the Jags HC was already there before he even made the choice to give Tebow that contract. Therefore, making things, extra uneasy, around here.

Trust me, I remember the whole, "In Gene We Trust" sentiment. And yes, that just screams rubber stamp approval. And you're right, accepting that rubber stamp approval didn't get us anywhere. But then again, where is the constant complaining about it going to get us? It'll get us the same exact place we are now, only more out of breath. 

Of course there will be disagreements with the subsequent picks after TLaw. Those are going to happen, I'm sure we all know this. I was pointing out how severe it has been lately, which again, will lead everyone participating, going around in circles without a compass. People need to understand that their vision of the direction this team goes in is totally fine to share, talk about and even argue about. But when it doesn't come to fruition, that's when they need to understand that their vision, is just that, a vision. 

But you're right, there shouldn't have been any dissent over the TLaw pick, if there was, we'd have to hire a resident psyche doctor.

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