(05-29-2021, 08:53 PM)Tank Commander Wrote:

(05-29-2021, 06:46 PM)Bullseye Wrote: They were 4-12 in 2010 (3-10 specifically under Orton)-easily verifiable, as pendragon would say.

That said, it doesn't mean that Tebow was solely or even mostly the cause for the improvement from 2010-2011, nor does it explain the post Tebow improvement on the same team with the same coach between 2012-2015.

Coach John Fox was there from in 2011 as was Von Miller.  Tebow was NOT there in 2012-2015, but Fox and Miller were.

So again, if Tebow were solely or even mostly responsible for the improvement from 2010-2011, why would Denver be so quick to get rid of him?  Why couldn't he replicate that success elsewhere if Denver's trade of Tebow was a mistake?  Why could he only command a 4th round draft pick in trade compensation if it were incontrovertible fact that Tebow was solely responsible for Denver's run and he were this undeniable talent?  Several QBs were rumored to be on the trade market this offseason:  Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson and DeShaun Watson, minimally, all had  at least one first round pick speculated as a baseline to acquire their services, with most supposedly commanding far more for their services.  But Tebow the living legend could only muster a 4th.  This was true even though there was a relative dearth of QBs carrying first round grades between 2012-2014.  Even if Denver were making a grave mistake in dealing away this once in a lifetime player, you would think the overwhelming demand for his services in trade caused by other teams seeing his undeniable talent would warrant a higher draft pick in trade, if not cause Denver to reconsider completely.  But none of that happened.  Why is that?

Sounds like you weren't following the NFL in 2011 and are just relying on stats now.
This may be the most ignorant thing I've seen you post, and there's a number of posts vying for that top spot.

Elway wanted to get rid of Tebow from the beginning as that was Josh McDaniel's pick before Elway took over.
He was hoping to just start Tebow so Tebow could fail and then they could move on.
Unfortunately for Elway, Tebow kept winning, week after week and making Elway look stupid into the playoffs against the Steelers.
This made it hard to get rid of Tebow in Denver but luckily for Elway, Manning choose Denver and so Elway had an out since you had a HOF QB. (Elway really lucked out there because Elway's not the best evaluator of QB talent: Brock Osweiler, Paxton Lynch. Kind of like the Michael Jordan of the NFL)
Care to cite sources on that statement? If you were GM, would you tie your wagon to the guy who struggled to pass for 100 yards a game? If you landed a GM job and the QB was a reliable winner, do you honestly think they would send the dude packing and not take advantage of the good fortune they fell into?

At that point the mistake he made was being traded to the Jets instead of the Jags. He didn't account for a snake like Butt Fumble Mark Sanchez who spent his entire career and all his energy with the Jets just playing political games to keep his starting job rather than be a real quarterback. So he really never had a fair shot at the Jets and his reputation was ruined because of it. Really though that was Tebow's fault for going to a media circus like New York and for being naive to think that Butt Fumble was his friend.

After that he was basically blackballed and labelled an athletic QB who couldn't pass and that was the end of his career.

At this stage in his career it's probably too late for him to be an effective QB.  Like Kapernick and RGIII, he still has issues with his mechanics and is too run reliant.

But I think he will still be an effective goal line and shortyardage back/QB, must like he was his freshman year with the Gators when they would take Chris Leak out and bring Tebow in for automatic TDs. All this tight end nonsense is just that because he has non of the traits that make an effective tight end in this league.

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I can't help but recall Vince Young in this situation. His passing was suspect, but "all he does is win football games". Remember the outcry when he won OROY over MJD?

What is the difference between Teebs and VY? Where they played (one for a local college, becoming the hometown hero, the other for a big-name school in a different conference, but ended up on most hated rival's team on darft day)? How they flamed out (one went to baseball, the other went to Cheesecake Factory)?

I mean, would anyone here be as optimistic or quick to argue against skepticism if we were talking about ol' flipper getting a shot at TE instead?

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