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StroudCrowd1 · 10-11-2021, 09:55 AM

Curious how many people cheering the destruction of Columbus statues are enjoying their day off today.

HURRICANE!!! · 10-11-2021, 10:18 AM

I'm too busy trying to get Pluto back as my 9th planet to focus on Columbus right now.

When I think of Columbus right now, I envision Urban getting his grind on (in Columbus OH)

TrivialPursuit · 10-11-2021, 10:37 AM

(10-11-2021, 09:55 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Curious how many people cheering the destruction of Columbus statues are enjoying their day off today.

He was an idiot that had no idea what he was doing, where he was going or where he landed once his crew found land.

This was a guy that had a reward for whoever saw land first and when it happened and a crewman came forth for the reward he said, "nah man I saw it just a few minutes ago."

Then he enabled a system of slavery... yay!

JagsFanClubOfMD · 10-11-2021, 11:44 AM

I’m working today.

The Real Marty · 10-11-2021, 03:13 PM

Happy Indigenous People's Day!

StroudCrowd1 · 10-11-2021, 03:39 PM

(10-11-2021, 03:13 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Happy Indigenous People's Day!

Senator Warren says thank you.

***jagibelieve*** · 10-11-2021, 04:27 PM

The whole "Indigenous People's Day" thing is both stupid and un-called for. It's Columbus Day. Liberals are trying so hard to rewrite history.

There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.

WingerDinger · 10-11-2021, 04:41 PM

(10-11-2021, 04:27 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: The whole "Indigenous People's Day" thing is both stupid and un-called for. It's Columbus Day. Liberals are trying so hard to rewrite history.

Spot on..

captivating · 10-11-2021, 05:06 PM

(10-11-2021, 04:41 PM)WingerDinger Wrote:
(10-11-2021, 04:27 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: The whole "Indigenous People's Day" thing is both stupid and un-called for. It's Columbus Day. Liberals are trying so hard to rewrite history.

Spot on..

Jags · 10-11-2021, 06:32 PM

(10-11-2021, 05:06 PM)captivating Wrote:
(10-11-2021, 04:41 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: Spot on..

I agree! Let’s take the Rest of the land and Casinos too! We be rich [BLEEP]!

Lucky2Last · 10-11-2021, 07:11 PM

At this point, considering what we know about Columbus, it's probably ridiculous we celebrate him. I don't think the monster that a certain groups of leftists claim, but he was definitely more of a buffoon than a brilliant thinker. I'm cool with getting rid of this as a holiday. I'm not cool with taking down his statue in Syracuse. Same way I'm not cool with taking away the ones for Robert E. Lee in Virginia. History is what it is. It's horrible and ugly, and it's going to be nigh impossible to find someone without sin. You take the good AND the bad and move forward, trying to learn from both.

WingerDinger · 10-11-2021, 08:03 PM

A Very Happy Columbus Day to everyone!!

mikesez · 10-11-2021, 08:20 PM

(10-11-2021, 07:11 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: At this point, considering what we know about Columbus, it's probably ridiculous we celebrate him. I don't think the monster that a certain groups of leftists claim, but he was definitely more of a buffoon than a brilliant thinker. I'm cool with getting rid of this as a holiday. I'm not cool with taking down his statue in Syracuse. Same way I'm not cool with taking away the ones for Robert E. Lee in Virginia. History is what it is. It's horrible and ugly, and it's going to be nigh impossible to find someone without sin. You take the good AND the bad and move forward, trying to learn from both.

When we choose to make and prominently display a statue, we are doing more than teaching history, we are celebrating it. Neither Columbus nor Lee should be celebrated. Both should be taught.
In Germany you won't find any Nazi symbols but all Germans are taught who the Nazis were. The communist symbols have also been taken down but there seems to be a lot of awareness about the Stasi being just as bad as the Gestapo. They teach history without celebrating it. We can do the same.

My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Lucky2Last · 10-11-2021, 09:16 PM

You're a tool. Despite Columbus's buffoonery, the dude braved the unknown and helped bring knowledge of a "new world" to Europe. Furthermore, the celebration of that at the time was necessary for encouraging others to follow suit, which lead to the capitalization of medieval Europe. It created an entire new class. It was the catalyst for the free market and democracy. You don't have the modern world without it. If someone wants to memorialize that, that's fine. Likewise, Robert E. Lee was instrumental in easing tensions between the North and the South. Without him, who knows how things would have played out. The statues designed to honor Lee for his contribution to the restoration of the Union (the ones created after his death), were a reminder that the US was one people group. No one in the union would have had that same impact. That wasn't stirred up again until the civil rights movement in the 60's.

Disregarding the good because of the bad is stupid. We don't have to celebrate it today, but we can allow for the historicity of the celebration. We can allow it as an homage to how they contributed. A tribute can be for one ideal; It doesn't have to speak to the totality of a person. Further, it can be the jumping off point for any manner of discussions about the past. That you would discard that value because of some faux nobility blows my mind. Grow up.

homebiscuit · 10-11-2021, 09:19 PM

Columbus represents white colonialism, which is shameful. Just ask the millions running across our border.