https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFy_vkYITHg&t=332s

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"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"

This is my point. It's not about belief or disbelief to me. His physician can't know the answer to that question. Not yet. If he's giving an answer, it's based on what he believes. Reasonable people should be leery about supporting that and be willing to push back against narrative thinking. Imo, you are perpetuating a belief system that is not conducive to good science which is probably exactly what his physicians are doing. If you pushed back against the system, we would have less Ronsters, who sadly have been more correct than the experts for this exact reason.

This is an opinion from which all of the rest of your thought flows. How do you know this? If it is just his belief then should your belief carry more weight than his?  Why do you get to define what the doctor said as "narrative thinking"? It seems you believe that you are more of an expert than the doctor who treated the patient and that's why we are at an impasse. Why are you more of expert than the doctor on site with the patient that you have gravitas or credential to question his assessment?

Lol. Then answer my question.

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This is an opinion from which all of the rest of your thought flows. How do you know this? If it is just his belief then should your belief carry more weight than his?  Why do you get to define what the doctor said as "narrative thinking"? It seems you believe that you are more of an expert than the doctor who treated the patient and that's why we are at an impasse. Why are you more of expert than the doctor on site with the patient that you have gravitas or credential to question his assessment?

Lol. Then answer my question.

There is no real science being conducted with this COVID craze. Its a political tool used by the world government to see how much control they can grab. They are milking this for everything that they can. Its a scam. No one even knows the REAL numbers, its all based off of lies and speculation. People that are not brainwashed tools, understand what is really going on, and more and more people are waking up everyday. The media and the left are killing any chance of people trusting them ever again.

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"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"

Who knows if u could be next........

My mates grandfather got it and died from it just recently....

Of course he die have underlying health conditons that did contribute,  but still goes to show it aint a joke

Sorry to hear of your friends granddad. I still love Australia in spite of what you seem to be becoming. Remember when you were a nation of England-rejected scoundrel rebels? Just like the US was their Freedom-seeking rejects. And now look at us. Ah well....

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

I just had an Instacart delivery, ordered a LOT of Gatorade which I am currently downiing a HUGE glass of.........

You lucked out, there is a shortage of it

I sometimes wonder if people who shop online get things that those who go in the store can't find. When we were starting to see Clorox cleaning wipes trying to make a comeback I never could find them when I was at the store but folks who shopped online had no problem getting a container. Same with toilet paper, paper towels and cleaning products.

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This is an opinion from which all of the rest of your thought flows. How do you know this? If it is just his belief then should your belief carry more weight than his?  Why do you get to define what the doctor said as "narrative thinking"? It seems you believe that you are more of an expert than the doctor who treated the patient and that's why we are at an impasse. Why are you more of expert than the doctor on site with the patient that you have gravitas or credential to question his assessment?

Lol. Then answer my question.

Again, why? Nothing I say will convince you; I'm not as qualified as the guy you already don't believe, so what's the point?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Qualified for what? To determine how a vaccine may or may not have contributed to a life ending condition? Let me let you in on a little secret... that dude is no more qualified than me or you to make that call. I'll make the question easier for you. What makes his physicians qualified to answer that question? Their inside source at Pfizer? Their extensive research capabilities?

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Is Santa real?

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Qualified for what? To determine how a vaccine may or may not have contributed to a life ending condition? Let me let you in on a little secret... that dude is no more qualified than me or you to make that call. I'll make the question easier for you. What makes his physicians qualified to answer that question? Their inside source at Pfizer? Their extensive research capabilities?

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Is Santa real?

Lol, such nonsense.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

How so?

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How so?

You really think you, sitting here, are qualified and capable of saying he's wrong?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

We are not talking about whether or not the physician is wrong, dude. Find one place in this thread where I said the physician is WRONG that Saget didn't die from the vaccine. I don't know what caused Saget's death and would be a fool to suggest otherwise. I am simply saying Saget's physicians CAN'T know if Bob Saget's death was related to the vaccine, at least not based on what's been released to us. There are a few rare diseases that are associated with vaccinations and can be tested with a blood test, but this isn't the case, based on what's been released (on a side note, those rare instances are what exposed the safe and effective Johnson and Johnson vaccine, but I digress). I simply asked you how one would KNOW that his death is unrelated to the vaccine. You can't answer. The truth is, outside of a few special instances, that's not the type of thing a coroner or physician is going to be able to answer. They don't have that capability. Therefore, it would be foolish of them to state anything definitively, and, if they do, it's because they believe it, not because they KNOW it.

So now I am challenging YOUR world view. I started by asking you a question about how a physician could possibly KNOW that, to which you declined to answer (because you don't know it). Then I asked what makes a physician qualified to answer such a complicated question, to which you laughed (because you don't know it). You don't answer tough questions because you are unqualified, but still smug somehow. The truth is that you don't know anything. Neither does that physician. Neither do I. Not about that. There's a probability the vaccine caused his death, albeit small. As dumb as you think Ronster is for saying Saget's death was caused by the vaccine, I feel doubly so about you claiming it wasn't. You don't know, but you should at least know better.

I wrote this, then decided to find where his physicians said it was definitely unrelated. Couldn't find anything. Could you post your source to I can legitimately be annoyed with these doctors instead of what you say about them?

Through this whole process, I am most dumbfounded by the number of unknowns we treat as fact.

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That’s just it, if nothing else; we learned that when it comes to COVID, the so called experts know very little. They have been and still are stubbornly WRONG. Times like this you have to trust your instincts and all these hacks be damned.

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"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"

What I've learned is that big Pharma has incentive to lie. Doesn't get punished for lying. Spends billions of dollars creating policy. Doesn't release their data for peer review. Manipulates data for profit. Kills hundreds of thousands of people. No one goes to jail for it, even when it's discovered they knew about it. Pays billions of dollars in fines and payouts to families of the deceased while still making a profit. Because they can just make new drugs when the old ones don't become profitable, even when it's not better for the user or even more harmful to them. They pay to control the media narrative, insurance companies, medical publications, and doctor endorsement. And they go unchallenged by the broader medical community. That's what I've learned through this. It's sickening.

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We are not talking about whether or not the physician is wrong, dude. Find one place in this thread where I said the physician is WRONG that Saget didn't die from the vaccine. I don't know what caused Saget's death and would be a fool to suggest otherwise. I am simply saying Saget's physicians CAN'T know if Bob Saget's death was related to the vaccine, at least not based on what's been released to us. There are a few rare diseases that are associated with vaccinations and can be tested with a blood test, but this isn't the case, based on what's been released (on a side note, those rare instances are what exposed the safe and effective Johnson and Johnson vaccine, but I digress). I simply asked you how one would KNOW that his death is unrelated to the vaccine. You can't answer. The truth is, outside of a few special instances, that's not the type of thing a coroner or physician is going to be able to answer. They don't have that capability. Therefore, it would be foolish of them to state anything definitively, and, if they do, it's because they believe it, not because they KNOW it.

So now I am challenging YOUR world view. I started by asking you a question about how a physician could possibly KNOW that, to which you declined to answer (because you don't know it). Then I asked what makes a physician qualified to answer such a complicated question, to which you laughed (because you don't know it). You don't answer tough questions because you are unqualified, but still smug somehow. The truth is that you don't know anything. Neither does that physician. Neither do I. Not about that. There's a probability the vaccine caused his death, albeit small. As dumb as you think Ronster is for saying Saget's death was caused by the vaccine, I feel doubly so about you claiming it wasn't. You don't know, but you should at least know better.

I wrote this, then decided to find where his physicians said it was definitely unrelated. Couldn't find anything. Could you post your source to I can legitimately be annoyed with these doctors instead of what you say about them?

Through this whole process, I am most dumbfounded by the number of unknowns we treat as fact.

Physicians and other medical providers are not research scientists. They are front line workers trying to treat and mitigate sick patients. Their info on current and new diseases comes from journals, medical affiliations, seminars, colleges and gov agencies like the CDC, NIH, etc., and even drug reps. When a gov agency is politicized or compromised, they will relay to thier patients the info they are told till it either changes, or begins to make no sense. Unfortunately, the herd mentality exists in medicine as well. And if your herd is being steered by a chosen narrative and not the data, then look out.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

Well said.

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Lol. Then answer my question.

Again, why? Nothing I say will convince you; I'm not as qualified as the guy you already don't believe, so what's the point?

It is hard to trust a Doctor that can claim he knows something wasn't caused by the vaccine but at the same time can't diagnosis the actual cause. The best he can say is that he suspects it is a congenital heat issue that no one has ever found and so far still hasn't found.


There have been multiple reports of heart issues including people dying of heart attacks shortly after receiving the vaccine and for a Doctor to rule the vaccine out so quickly, with no other verifiable cause, is negligent.

Also, it is important to note that the opinion from this anonymous specialist supposedly treating him, was given by a spokesperson from the network the reporter works for. No other corroborating information is out there at this time. All other reports are based on their statement.

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I think the most interesting thing about all this discussion is that you guys are all talking about Bob Saget and I was talking about Rafael Silva (page 2 of this thread for reference), who isn't dead by the way, they identified a congenital heart defect, he's since recovered and been sent home. Ronster was using the video clip to attribute his health incident to the vaccine yet the doctors said that wasn't the case and gave him the correct diagnosis. Of course it seems that no matter the facts of the case I'm wrong about everything I say even when you guys aren't even discussing the same [BLEEP] patient that I am. Of course all the internet experts surely know more than the actual physician who treated the patient, that's the world we live in and why these discussions serve little purpose. 

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Is that your new refuge?

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Is that your new refuge?

Refuge? You just can't say, "Gosh, I overreacted and didn't have the facts right?" Really?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Is that your new refuge?

Refuge? You just can't say, "Gosh, I overreacted and didn't have the facts right?" Really?

Isn't it amazing what goes on on the internet these days?  And it gathers steam and snowballs all by itself and pretty soon, a whole bunch of people believe the most preposterous things.

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