(06-04-2022, 01:31 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:

(06-04-2022, 01:16 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Everybody drafts for need with some of their picks.  Dave just couldn't stop himself from reaching too far to do it. 
Drafting for need is not an issue if you aren't reaching too far down your board to fill the need. 

I bet 30 teams this year passed on higher rated prospects at some point in the first three rounds to take a player they needed. 
Hell, the Jags pretty clearly did it with Walker, Fortner and Snoop Conner.

The larger issue for this topic is Caldwell's (and eventually Coughlin's) inability to retain draft picks they hit on. 
The work isn't done when you land the talent. Players, despite their ego, personality, or misguided agents and advisors, have to be MANAGED. Negotiating their retention can be screwed up a million different ways. We witnessed it with Ngakoue and Ramsey.
Both players were alienated in some way and despite much of (probably most of) the blame falling on those players, the front office failed to get the job done at the end of the day. They share the blame. 

Whatever your wacky takes on the players might be. The team suffered when they walked. Significantly.

Sometimes BPA meets need, so you you are going to draft need and a lot of teams have need at a lot of positions so needs will get filled.  That's said 99% of the time you take the player at the top of your board.  Some teams do draft need and those are the ones that pick at the top, glad it looks like we have finally broke that so hopefully we won't be picking neat the top again any time soon.   Did you see the teams board?  What players did the team have rated higher than Walker?  I think it was pretty clear that Walker was their highest rated player.  I think it's also been pretty clear that Baalke takes the top player on his board passing up players of need multiple times.  He has said it multiple times as well as Doug, stick to their board and take the top player.  Muma was another clear example.

So if it's foolish to draft based on need, and you have a GM that does that, doesn't it make matters worse for that GM to create needs where he actually had good players?!?

Think!

And to be clear, you are holding up Baalke as the paragon of sound drafting practices?  Am I reading this correctly?

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(06-04-2022, 01:42 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(06-04-2022, 01:31 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Sometimes BPA meets need, so you you are going to draft need and a lot of teams have need at a lot of positions so needs will get filled.  That's said 99% of the time you take the player at the top of your board.  Some teams do draft need and those are the ones that pick at the top, glad it looks like we have finally broke that so hopefully we won't be picking neat the top again any time soon.   Did you see the teams board?  What players did the team have rated higher than Walker?  I think it was pretty clear that Walker was their highest rated player.  I think it's also been pretty clear that Baalke takes the top player on his board passing up players of need multiple times.  He has said it multiple times as well as Doug, stick to their board and take the top player.  Muma was another clear example.

Muma is probably the ONLY example of BAP selection in the Jags 2022 draft. 
And even that can be viewed as a need since our new DC wants to employ the $LB position and we didn't have a clear candidate on the roster.

The Jags traded up twice for, drum roll please...   NEED. 

You believe in fairy tales all you want, pal. 

Teams draft for need just as often as they select a straight up BAP pick.

Exactly!

On top of that BAP drafting is no guarantee of success, either if you evaluate the players incorrectly and rank them incorrectly.

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