(01-11-2024, 03:37 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote:

(01-11-2024, 01:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Bradley was fired 8 years ago

Caldwell was fired 4 years ago

How many years exactly must pass before these firings are still the gold standard of Shahid Khan's measuring stick of patience? 

Serious [BLEEP] question.

I want to know??

Many posters are after Khan with a vengeance over this but I want to know if we really feel a self made billionaire has learned absolutely nothing over a decade of NFL ownership?? 

LOL - The assumptions around here sound asinine to me

LOL!!!  Are YOU serious?  CALDWELL WAS THE LAST GM!!!!!  If we're discussing the leash of the CURRENT GM, you think it is irrelevant to discuss the leash given to the LAST GM!?!?!  

Bradley is going a little farther back, but still completely relevant in terms of Khan's overall track record.  It's almost mind boggling that Khan kept a head coach so long with so little results.  It's the lowest winning percentage of any head coach in NFL history who coached a minimum of 60 games.  Seriously, I think even Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles could see the writing on the wall after 3 years with Bradley (if not much earlier), but Khan let him go for a fourth season?  When you break NFL history for ineptitude, people will tend to remember it.  Oh, and it WAS within the last decade.  

I didn't mention Marrone, but there wasn't exactly a super-fast trigger on him either.  He had to go 12-36 over a three-year period with three straight last place finishes in the division to get fired.  

He did fire Meyer quickly, but he had off-the-field issues.  If he didn't, who knows?  He may still be coaching here.  He maintained Baalke despite being 3-14 that season.

Most NFL coaches are on a short leash.  Vrabel just got fired despite having a 54-45 record with his team. He had winning records in 4 of his 6 years there with 3 playoff appearances.  Prior to this season, he had finished 1st or 2nd in the division for 4 straight years.  He was only 2 years removed from being NFL coach of the year.  Despite this, a 6 win season wasn't good enough to save his job.  Bradley averaged less than 4 wins per season and got 4 years.  Caldwell averaged less 5 wins per season and got 8 years.  Wow.

Khan not having a track record of moving slowly?  Really?

So that we are clear - you are perfectly comfortable making the assumption that Shad hasn't fired Baalke and isn't going to because he didn't fire Dave Caldwell until year "X"

OK

Great.  Makes little sense to me, but you're entitled to that.

The reality is that the organization currently has a different hierarchy amongst owner/HC/GM braintrust than it did at that time and Khan has both of these men report to him rather than to one another in terms of accountability. 

They are under a mandate to work together to field a successful football team. 

So far they have strung together the best two consecutive seasons we've had in NINETEEN years! 
So, no, he's not in a god awful hurry about firing Trent [BLEEP] Baalke right now. LOL You want to lambaste him for that, go right ahead. 

What he's doing right now is trying to figure out if Doug/Trent are going to be able to come to an agreement about the organizations shortcomings to lose 5 of their last 6 games and how to fix them. 

If they can, the braintrust remains. If they can't, change is imminent. 

Makes sense to me. 

Many think Trent should never be given a chance to be part of another draft process. They may be right in the end and they may be wrong. We won't know for a few years when those players have succeeded or failed. But we will learn something between March and May about the Pederson/Baalke approach to fixing this roster. I just want to know if they see what most of us see and how they address it. I don't think it is beyond their ability.

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