(01-11-2024, 01:29 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote:

(01-10-2024, 08:42 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: This appears to be lost on or ignored by the “fire Baalke” folks.  Your ire should be just as strong toward Doug.

No one knows what the dynamic between Doug, Trent and Shad is, but I feel relatively confident it’s not a “I buy the groceries, you make the meal” kinda deal.  I think the buying of the groceries is more them both going to the store together given Doug’s pedigree.

Also, Shad gets painted as a slow moving moron at times around here when the message board warriors are dealing with probably very little actual verifiable information and Shad is dealing with all of the information (i.e. if anyone besides Doug and Trent knows who is responsible for a particular pick that went bad, i assure you he does.)

Gus Bradley never won more than 5 games in a season and he lasted 4 years.  Caldwell, with one exception, never won more than 6 games in a season and he lasted 8 years.  You don't consider that slow moving!?!?!?!?!?!?

His first HC hire as a new owner?  I seem to recall comments when he bought the team about wanting to emulate the Steelers who exhibit patience and stability and rarely fire their HC.  You need to give him a break and a pass on that one I think.  GMs are more difficult to evaluate over just a few years as players can sometimes take a couple of years to shine.  Secondly, GMs are generally credited with scouting and selecting prospects in the draft, but I would imagine in reality the dynamic is different franchise to franchise.  How involved is the coach here versus elsewhere?  Is the coach giving a list of player types for each position and deferring scouting to GM and scouts, is the coach scouting players and actually naming his preferences, is the coach actually involved in the selections?  Nobody outside the braintrust knows.  

In retrospect should he have cleaned house with Bradley, sure, but in the moment when you're laying blame on Bradley for the record the 4 years he was coach perhaps the GM saved his own [BLEEP] by effectively laying blame for lack of development at the coach's feet being the primary reason for lack of overall success.  Maybe Shad just genuinely liked Caldwell as a person which clouded his judgement.  I don't know, we weren't in the building to know what saved Caldwell, but I think judging a GM after 3 years without knowing the dynamic between Urban/Trent and now Doug/Trent and getting angry along with the judgement is premature and wasted energy.

I will say, it makes a lot more sense to me that Trent at some point or multiple points gave Shad advice that turned out to be good advice after the fact.  Maybe he warned him about Urban ahead of time, maybe he gave him a list of prospects he liked in the 2020 draft prior to the draft that turned out to be stars quickly on other teams while we drafted CJ Henderson and Chaisson.  Whatever it was, he has somehow ingratiated himself with Shad and I seriously doubt its in the vein of the meme'd evil advisor whispering into the absent minded king's head.  That's how clown outs get started.  I just don't get angry and call for specific heads to roll when I know I'm dealing with very little verifiable info which we are in this area.  Defensive readiness and performance?  Yeah, we can be a little more confident in making judgements on who is responsible.

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