(12-21-2022, 09:56 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Exactly thank you.

Some people want to say "yeah he threw 12 tds 17 ints last year but I ALWAYS KNEW HE'D BE ELITE" yeah but you didn't because most of the time guys who struggle, continue to struggle. Lawrence got better, and that's awesome but let's not pretend he was a for sure thing

So then only Marino, Big Ben, Luck and Watson were worth anything?


You should give up on EVERY QB who struggles in their early years?!?


What would you have done with Peyton Manning, who led the league with 28 INTs his rookie year?!?

There's another QB who struggled mightily in his first two years.  Had a 20-36 TD-INT ratio and couldn't reach 60% completion rate wither of his first two years.  Looking at those numbers, what would you have concluded about this guy?

There's another QB who also had a negative TD-INT ratio and <60% completion rate his first two years, and won 3 games over that time.  Even worse for him, he had 3 years of professional experience before joining his first NFL team.

Even now, there's yet another guy who couldn't hit a 60% completion rate in either of his first two seasons, had a negative TD-INT ratio his first year and threw even fewer TDs than Trevor Lawrence his first year.

Under your analysis, none of those guys would have been worth the time to develop.

Congrats.  You would have trashed Peyton Manning Troy Aikman, Steve Young, and Josh Allen.

This epitomizes the problem with your takes.  You said "because most of the time guys who struggle, continue to struggle."  What you left OUT of th equation is that most of the guys who thrive struggle at the beginning.

Of the successful NFL QBs, the overwhelming majority struggled early in their careers, whether they got lots of early playing time like Trevor Lawrence, or if their coaches didn't think they were ready early and didn't play them much if at all during their rookie years like Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, or many others.  Many of us tried desperately to get you to see that. You persisted in your willful ignorance and now you are catching grief on the board.

You attempted (but failed) to put things an a complete and accurate historical context.

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