(06-14-2023, 07:51 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:

(06-11-2023, 04:52 PM)Bullseye Wrote: (Emphasis added)

Interesting pronoun usage in the underlined portion.

That analysis would be a correct observation if you exclude yourself from the "you."

But I assure you, I didn't just suddenly and arbitrarily decide to malign your character here when I say you didn't like Trevor Lawrence.  I've debated the others in this forum enough to know they typically debate in good faith.

You regularly bashed Trevor Lawrence and doubted his ability to ever develop into anything.

I'm not the only one with that recollection.

I bashed Trevors individual game performances on many occasions, both in his rookie season and even part of the last year. But with that being said, where I pointed out his wild inconsistencys with accuracy/decision making (which were even visible to everyone watching his most recent game in which he threw 4 really bad interceptions) I never said he didn't have talent. 

This is where the disconnect between myself and most of this board becomes apparent. When it comes to being a quarterback I could careless about your physical attributes untill I see them turn into production on the field. The Colts new rookie comes to mind, I still can't believe he was even drafted based on his ability to play QB (Trevor is nothing like him, this is an extreme example tho)

I did have my doubt, mainly concerning issues that he had prior to joining the NFL, and has continued to have since he's been here. However, like most human beings theres always room for improvement and when he started showing improvement I gave him his props. MOST QBs specfically do not turn the table and fix there issues that's why it's so incredibly hard to find a true franchise elite QB. 

I watched every single play Trevor made at Clemson, so you can imagine my dissapointment when the worst of what I saw there, became the majority of what I saw in his rookie season. I never doubted he had a big arm, I never doubted he was physically gifted and could make throws.. but I also wasn't blinded by the teal sunglasses and pretending the issues didn't exist like some on this board. He STILL makes the same mistakes. They are very specific issues, I know someone will say something like "yeah but every qb has a bad throw/game yada yada" But when you look deeper, notice he makes the same mistakes in the same situations, thats where it worries me. 

He has gotten significantly better.. which I've been happy about. But to disregard the things I said is just ignorant, and because he got better dosen't mean the issues never existed to begin with.

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 So you equate Trevor Lawrence's rookie year potential to Richardson's?!?  Richardson of the 53% completion percentage?  Seriously?!?

Did the fact that he was a rookie have anything to do with his rookie year performance?  Perhaps I'm spitballing-no....I'm not even going to cede that semantically-but Trevor Lawrence's rookie year had much to do with his rookie year performance.  NFL history is replete with rookie QBs struggling in their rookie years.  Patrick Mahomes, who has been to three Super Bowls, winning two, didn't play until the very end of his rookie season. Troy Aikman went 0-11 in his rookie year when his inexperience was combined with a lack of surrounding talent and poor coaching.  He wound u winning three Super Bowls.  Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs his rookie year.  He ended his career going to three Super Bowls, winning two, and is on his way to being enshrined in Canton if he's not there now.

Do you think Urban Meyer was the best coach to develop Trevor Lawrence in his rookie year?  Might Urban Meyer's presence have had an adverse impact on Trevor Lawrence's rookie year performance?

Is it possible that the additions of Evan Engram, Zay Jones, and Christian Kirk had more of a positive impact on Trevor Lawrence's performance than the players in those same positions in his rookie year?  It's not a stretch to suggest that trio is among the top 3 in Jaguars history compared with 1996 )Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell, Andre Rison) and 2017 Soward, Hurnd, Lewis).  Conversely, isn't it possible the 2021 receivers had a negative impact on TL's performance?

 I ask these questions now because to my recollection, there was no such analysis from you that tempered your Trevor bashing with balanced analysis

Even here you say "He makes the same mistakes in the same situations."  He cut his INTs by half between the 17 he threw in his rookie year and the 8 he threw last year.  In his rookie year, he was trailing in 14 games and lost 14 games.  Last year, he trailed by double digits against Baltimore, Dallas and the Raiders and beat all three.  To make the assertion about making the same mistakes in the same situations is an exaggeration at best.      That shows progress, not the stagnation you think you observe.

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