(06-16-2023, 03:35 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:

(06-16-2023, 03:19 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: My words yes, but what did they mean?

According to you: I claimed he was a bust, had no faith in him ever becoming good, and just hate Trevor Lawrence.

According to me, and anyone who can read: We were in a thread talking about how we felt about the upcoming season and yes, I had no faith in our team for 2022 and Trevor did us no favors in that regard because he was horrendus in 2021, regardless of the reasoning.. You all can blame Urban, the WRs, the O line.. whatever it is.. but the fact is he played piss poor football that year and it left no hope for the following season.

Let's take a look at why his performance didn't exactly give me a raging boner for the upcoming season shall we.

Interception #1 Rolls out of the pocket, throws on the run and throws the ball so high over the WRs head that he couldn't get close to it even jumping. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Clearly Lawrence but you can dispute if you like.

Interception #2 He stood in the pocket, fired the ball towards the sideline WR who not only had a DB right ontop of him, but happened to have one directly infront of him
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Clearly Lawrence, and no dispute is to be had on this one, it was awful

Interception #3 In fairness to Trevor, the pocket was collapsing.. however the throw was absurdly bad, he threw it to two texans defenders whilst also having a wide open WR had he thrown it further
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? I mean i'll be fair and say it was caused by pressure, tho he shouldn't have forced this.. 

Interception #4 Nice pocket awareness and foot work, stepped up and fired an extremely late pass on an out route, that's a no no in the NFL but it's something he did often in college.. only difference is in college you can get away with it sometimes.
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence 100%, but this I will attribute to him being a rookie who just hadn't learned yet.

Interception #5 Deep pass down the sideline, this is the first int of his rookie season where I wont complain too much. Low effort by the WR, the pass was underthrown for sure tho
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevors, it was 1st down and the WR was blanketed, no need for that deep shot. 

Interception #6 This one was 1000% the fault of the receiver, bounced off his hands
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Not Trevor

Interception #6 The infamous flea flicker, where Trevor decided to throw a slow lofting pass to the check down, it was ugly.
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor made a really stupid decision, but I'll put the blame on Urban for calling a flea flicker, dumb play considering we have no burners at WR

Interception #7 This was awful, however I wont blame him because time was running out in the half and it appeared nobody was open
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? I'm not gonna blame him for this one, but he definitely could have given one of the WRs a better chance at the ball his placement was horrible.

Interception #8 This was awful, he had 2 defenders trailing his WR by 3-5 yards and somehow underthrew it so bad that the defenders behind his intended WR had to slow down/stop to pick the ball off
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor 

Interception #9 Bad pass into double coverage, not much else to say. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor.

Interception #10 This one was controversial at the time, because watching this play in live-time it appears that the WR let the ball bounce off his hands, and get tip-drill picked off behind him. However if you watch this from another angle, the WR had a slight step on the defender and Lawrence simply threw it behind him
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence

Interception #11 Threw it directly to the LBer standing infront of him, it was just bad
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #12 Yet another example of him being dreadfully terrible when he rolls out to his left to throw, undershot the WR
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #13 Another pass thrown directly to the defender, WR had 0 chance to grab the ball. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #14 Bounced off the WRs hands, could have thrown the ball to be more catchable but I wont blame him for this one
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Butter finger runningback

Interception #15 Another throw directly to the defense, dude was triple covered.. dumb decision
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence

Interception #16 ANOTHER throw directly to a linebacker starring him in the face, the WR was behind him this throw should never be made unless the QB is blind.

This will be my last time responding to this argument but the bolded is the biggest reason for me that you catch flack.

Yes. Trevor didn't play well in his rookie year. Is anyone denying that? No. Not really. But there was certainly hope when you actually watch how he was reading the field. How he was processing plays. How he showed up time and time again to keep that locker room together when the ADULTS IN THE ROOM were absolute babies. He had to hold this franchise together as a rookie because the HC was THE WORST COACH OF ALL TIME. That's not even an exaggeration. 

With Trevor, there was always hope. Maybe you felt there was no hope and that you were vindicated by your pre-draft assessment but the rest of us, who look at the game through more than stat lines, saw hope. And it's clear now, who was right.

I agree. Even during that dumpster fire of a year the team had under Meyer. Lawrence showed flashes from time to time. He played well in that Bengals game in primetime. That one throw in particular to Agnew was pretty solid and he was doing the best he could in that game with a recently gained Dan Arnold at TE. He had a good game to close out the year at home against the clots as well when people laughed about his "building momentum" comment going into 2022. He was right. It was good to end a bad year on somewhat of a high note. He also showed some clutch in him against the Dolphins that year with an effort to get them into a winning scoring drive in London. 

As far as last year? I called that [BLEEP] early. I said the team with Pederson and the amount of money and moves they made in the off season would probably get them into a position of winning this division somehow and I wouldn't be shocked if they were like the 1996 team where they started off slow, and, by the time we got into the stretch? They would reel off some wins. Which they did. Lawrence lead some crazy, crazy [BLEEP] games last year to get us into the play-offs. Then he gives us a disaster half of preseason debut with a [BLEEP] masterpiece of a comeback. 

He kept us in that [BLEEP] game too against the Chiefs. There was a lot of blown opportunities there. The Kirk drop and the Agnew fumble being the biggest two. The lack of pass protection being another glaring issue. Lawrence, most of all, kept his head level, kept his spirits up and took everything in stride and on the chin since DAY ONE. DAY [BLEEP] ONE. I had a few moments last year where I was disappointed in him. For sure. I was getting aggravated with the endzone INT's. The one on the road in Philly during the monsoon plus the fumbles. The one at home against the tinhorns sucked and then he did it again against the Broncos in London. That's when I started calling him Sunshine Brett Favre. He has that gunslinger in him. I think towards the end of the season though he got more methodical and less crazy. Then again, he did have that crazy tale of two halves in his play-off debut. LOL.

He ultimately learned from them at the right time or at least learned how to fight his way back at the NFL level. We got ourselves a QB. It's undeniable. It's just a damn shame we pissed away his rookie year, but, we needed that to happen. I bet it allowed Lawrence to learn a lot about the NFL. The high's and low's. We had to literally go through hell with Meyer to potentially walk through a path of gold and victory for the next decade with Pederson. It'll all be worth it if they keep staying above .500 and they win a Superbowl.

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