(06-18-2023, 09:08 PM)RicoTx Wrote:

(06-18-2023, 02:23 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Trevor Lawrence is NOT an elite QB (Right now)
He absolutely played great from weeks 9 to 18 last season, the prior weeks he had 10 tds 6 ints and 6 fumbles. however. He was NOT good to start the year at all. 
This is his second year in the offense and you're absolutely right with that combined with the addition of Ridley he absolutely SHOULD improve, but he also NEEDS to improve.. I've said it over and over again how impressed I was with his second half of the last season, but he needs to still be better than that.. and for a full season. 25 TD passes a year is pittiful in a now 17 game season. Good QBs are throwing at least 2 tds a game, averaging like 1.4/game is not ideal. However I will give him mega props on dropping the interceptions down to 8, that was great to see. 

I agree he's still young, and will make mistakes but at least he finally showed us what he can become in time at the end of this past season, and let's just hope his trajectory remains upwards.

So by your standards only seven quarterbacks were not ‘pitiful’ last year?

Got it.

When we're talking about supposidly "Elite" "Generational" or "Franchise guys" absolutely, not to say some may have fallen short due to missing games etc. But yeah, 7 sounds about right. The Top Tier QBs of the NFL is rarely ever more than 7 guys, if even that.

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(06-21-2023, 05:44 PM)Bullseye Wrote:

(06-18-2023, 02:23 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Trevor Lawrence is NOT an elite QB (Right now)
He absolutely played great from weeks 9 to 18 last season, the prior weeks he had 10 tds 6 ints and 6 fumbles. however. He was NOT good to start the year at all. 
This is his second year in the offense and you're absolutely right with that combined with the addition of Ridley he absolutely SHOULD improve, but he also NEEDS to improve.. I've said it over and over again how impressed I was with his second half of the last season, but he needs to still be better than that.. and for a full season. 25 TD passes a year is pittiful in a now 17 game season. Good QBs are throwing at least 2 tds a game, averaging like 1.4/game is not ideal. However I will give him mega props on dropping the interceptions down to 8, that was great to see. 

I agree he's still young, and will make mistakes but at least he finally showed us what he can become in time at the end of this past season, and let's just hope his trajectory remains upwards.

I didn't say Trevor Lawrence is an elite QB-at least not right now.

But he's trending in that direction and is far closer than you think or care to acknowledge.

If he was in the first year of his offense last year, and the light finally came on for him in the second half of the season, why wouldn't he produce at a level closer to the second half of the season over the course of an entire season now that the light is now on?

Your objectivity on this point is still in question.  You insisted that he makes the same mistakes throwing the same INTs he threw his rookie year, but completely ducked my observation that he cut his INTs by more than half until just now only now giving him "mega props" as an afterthought after his progress completely disproves your assertion about him not improving his INTs  You dismiss his TDs as "pittiful" (SIC), but fail to acknowledge he more than doubled his rookie year TDs, or that his "pittiful" TD production places him in the top 3rd of NFL QBs.

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(06-18-2023, 11:51 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: Herbert is overrated and so is Hurts

Strongly disagree on both counts.

His stats midway through 2020 were 10 tds, 6 ints, and 5 or 6 fumbles. Like I said, week 9 he started to turn a corner. He got better. Some guys do, some don't. Even still he had moments where his typical issues showed their head.. he absolutely got better.

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