(12-19-2023, 07:37 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote:

(12-19-2023, 01:23 PM)Mikey Wrote: Give Trevor 7 seconds like Lamar had. You think he can find an open man and gun the ball right to him?

Give Trevor a line he can rely on keep pressure off for more than a second and a half, watch what happens. You've seen him drop some beautiful passes. You know he is capable of every dang throw. The problem is that he doesn't have time to run progressions to find the open guy, he's running for his life, or he's already hobbled due to past failure of the line. You're equating a symptom (Trevor's mistakes) with cause (historical ineptitude in front of him).

Ben was a statue. Eli won more because the Giants D put tawmy on his rear, something nobody else managed to do. Luck was broken and retired well before he should have been because they did nothing to keep him upright. Rivers never made it to the big dance. Marino only once. Romo shrank in big games, not even going to entertain him in the discussion of some of the league's best QBs, not to mention one of Dallas' strengths have been their OL, they put resources into the line and that was a strength.

Grape jerb, nice try.

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Go look at his two SB runs and tell me how his oline was and how many times he was running for his life.

Ben was a "statue" is a lazy argument because he was a natural thrower of the football - but Ben was one of the best at avoiding sacks.

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Again, look at Elis oline in the SB runs. Get back at me.

The Gints and Eli, like the other Manning, won their trophies on the heels of the D, not the QB or line.  The year they won the SB? A Whopping 9-7 record. He was certainly elevating the guys around him to greatness, right? Led the league in 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives that year. Great stat, yes, but by no means were they steamrolling opponents due to Eli's supremacy.  

Avoiding sacks and evading pressure is fine, but doing so requires at least some semblance of pocket to form, or lineman to engage pursuers. Look at the end of his career, when their line was absolute tripe. He wasn't able to be the same Ben because he had no time to evade pressure or allow receivers to get open. Trevor is also elusive and good at sidestepping pressure or getting the ball out...when he has more than a second and a half to react.

Again, you are seeing a symptom, not a cause.

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(12-19-2023, 09:54 PM)jagshype Wrote:

(12-19-2023, 08:47 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: I'm talking about their respectable olines.

respectable

I didn't realize they all wore glasses. 


...wait, that's bespectacled.

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