(01-21-2024, 09:04 PM)SuperJville Wrote:

(01-21-2024, 06:27 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote: Exactly this, for example, I can’t remember Trevor Lawrence throwing a 5 yard pass and it going 60+ yards or whatever due to the receiver maker a play, whereby some quarterbacks benefitting from that.

Not taking anything away from Stroud but it happened a few times this hear for him, though tbf we seem to target the sidelines more than the middle so that could explain it.

Christian Kirk against the Saints

And did he have some INTs caused by WR mistakes? Sure. But so do all QBs. 
We are acutely aware of Trevor’s but do we know for SURE that other QBs didn’t have similar problems?  I mean just look at today - Baker Mayfield threw a pick in the first quarter which bounced off the WRs hands too. It happens. Trevor isn’t the only one.

Trevor also had some very nice catches that receivers made for him (Zay Jones TD against colts comes to mind). I think over the course of 17 games he probably had an average amount of good plays and bad plays from his receivers compared to the league average. He had a subpar offensive line. 

But his body of work tells me he’s a talented qb that makes plenty of mistakes but has a lot of room to get better. 
He hasn’t arrived - he needs to stay healthy next year play well (throw 25+ TDs and minimize turnovers) and lead us to the playoffs.  Then we give him a massive extension.

But hypothetically (god forbid) he starts
The year slow, maybe gets injured and misses 4-6 weeks - we miss the playoffs, and his stats look similar to this year… would you feel confident that he is without a shadow of a doubt THE guy? Maybe, maybe not.

Is he much better than Jameis Winston? Baker Mayfield? Or Jared Goff?  Those guys are examples of former #1 picks ending up on other somewhere else after the honeymoon phase is over.  Year 4 he is going to be a veteran, he’s got 50 starts under his belt already. What he gives us in year 4 is probably a good representation of who he is and what he will give us going forward. 

I hope it’s a great year, playoffs, and a run. 

If it’s another 9-8, 8-9 season where we miss playoffs and he’s a turnover machine - we may have to think about what else we can do.

Even then I’d still give him a 5th year option but I’m not just throwing too qb money at someone like that - especially when you see guys like Goff and Mayfield.  Just my 2c.

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