You clearly have forgotten his years with us when we had coach Ra Ra Gus Bradley and we celebrated not losing my 2 scores with an ice cream party.

that doesn't speak to my point one bit.

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If the Rams would take Shaq Griffin for Ramsey in a 1-1 trade I would do it and find the cap space. Ramsey is a bit past his prime obviously but regardless of how our fans feel about him (see trent balke for how a lot of you overreact) he would be a significant upgrade.

Trade one nagging back injury for the other?
What are we, the pro ball chiropractic specialists?

Well, it does though doesn’t it? Celebrating not losing my 2 scores is hardly the epitome of ‘wanting to win’

Is it a coincidence that the 2 people from that roster that the board constantly complained about as ‘having bad attitudes’ because integral parts in subsequent Super Bowl victories for their teams after?

No, maybe they’re just winners and got sick of the losing culture.

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that doesn't speak to my point one bit.

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Trade one nagging back injury for the other?
What are we, the pro ball chiropractic specialists?

Well, it does though doesn’t it? Celebrating not losing my 2 scores is hardly the epitome of ‘wanting to win’

Is it a coincidence that the 2 people from that roster that the board constantly complained about as ‘having bad attitudes’ because integral parts in subsequent Super Bowl victories for their teams after?

No, maybe they’re just winners and got sick of the losing culture.

You call giving up over 150 yards in the SB being a big part for their SB victory?   He almost single handedly lost the game for them, their 2 best players in AD and Kupp was good enough to make up for Ramsey's horrible game

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Well, it does though doesn’t it? Celebrating not losing my 2 scores is hardly the epitome of ‘wanting to win’

Is it a coincidence that the 2 people from that roster that the board constantly complained about as ‘having bad attitudes’ because integral parts in subsequent Super Bowl victories for their teams after?

No, maybe they’re just winners and got sick of the losing culture.

You call giving up over 150 yards in the SB being a big part for their SB victory?   He almost single handedly lost the game for them, their 2 best players in AD and Kupp was good enough to make up for Ramsey's horrible game

So we’re going to ignore that his was an all pro selection on their route to get them to the final and just focus on the match got it.

Based on this logic David Tyree would be in the HoF. Got it.

Look what I’m trying to say is, I get why people don’t like him, I don’t particularly either, but you cannot honestly say he doesn’t make this team instantly better, as I said all along if we can keep the cap comparable to Griffin it’s the easiest decision in the world, nice guy or not, he’s a winner.

Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but these ‘attitude issues’ have disappeared since he’s been with the Rams right?

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You call giving up over 150 yards in the SB being a big part for their SB victory?   He almost single handedly lost the game for them, their 2 best players in AD and Kupp was good enough to make up for Ramsey's horrible game

So we’re going to ignore that his was an all pro selection on their route to get them to the final and just focus on the match got it.

Based on this logic David Tyree would be in the HoF. Got it.

Look what I’m trying to say is, I get why people don’t like him, I don’t particularly either, but you cannot honestly say he doesn’t make this team instantly better, as I said all along if we can keep the cap comparable to Griffin it’s the easiest decision in the world, nice guy or not, he’s a winner.

Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but these ‘attitude issues’ have disappeared since he’s been with the Rams right?

He could more likely make the team instantly worse.  These guys ALWAYS talk about how they play for each other and how they are family.  Exactly how does Ramsey fit in with that?  That’s an easy answer…he doesn’t.

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You call giving up over 150 yards in the SB being a big part for their SB victory?   He almost single handedly lost the game for them, their 2 best players in AD and Kupp was good enough to make up for Ramsey's horrible game

So we’re going to ignore that his was an all pro selection on their route to get them to the final and just focus on the match got it.

Based on this logic David Tyree would be in the HoF. Got it.

Look what I’m trying to say is, I get why people don’t like him, I don’t particularly either, but you cannot honestly say he doesn’t make this team instantly better, as I said all along if we can keep the cap comparable to Griffin it’s the easiest decision in the world, nice guy or not, he’s a winner.

Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but these ‘attitude issues’ have disappeared since he’s been with the Rams right?

I'll clearly have to say this a dozen more times before people start to understand the actual reality of it. 

WE HAVE TWO STARTING CORNERS IN CAMPBELL and WILLIAMS WHO BOTH ARE ALLOWING A MUCH LOWER COMPLETION PERCENTAGE THAN RAMSEY. 
HE IS NOT AN UPGRADE TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
He's had ~ 5 bad games in each of the past two seasons that make him untrustworthy.

Unless you think you are going to put him in the slot and get good production. 
Is that the plan? Tell the most diva-like player in the league that he's your #3 corner? 


Good luck with that one. 

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So we’re going to ignore that his was an all pro selection on their route to get them to the final and just focus on the match got it.

Based on this logic David Tyree would be in the HoF. Got it.

Look what I’m trying to say is, I get why people don’t like him, I don’t particularly either, but you cannot honestly say he doesn’t make this team instantly better, as I said all along if we can keep the cap comparable to Griffin it’s the easiest decision in the world, nice guy or not, he’s a winner.

Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but these ‘attitude issues’ have disappeared since he’s been with the Rams right?

I'll clearly have to say this a dozen more times before people start to understand the actual reality of it. 

WE HAVE TWO STARTING CORNERS IN CAMPBELL and WILLIAMS WHO BOTH ARE ALLOWING A MUCH LOWER COMPLETION PERCENTAGE THAN RAMSEY. 
HE IS NOT AN UPGRADE TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
He's had ~ 5 bad games in each of the past two seasons that make him untrustworthy.

Unless you think you are going to put him in the slot and get good production. 
Is that the plan? Tell the most diva-like player in the league that he's your #3 corner? 


Good luck with that one. 

You’re literally looking at one thing and anchoring everything on that. Ok smarty pants, one of those CBS is clearly not following the number one receiver of the opposing team, so that factors in, we then also factor in that the afc south has trash trash quarterbacks Vs an NFC west division that had far superior QB play.

Before you get into (oh maybe they’re playing weaker cornerbacks that’s why, it’s not their QB play was far superior across the league) 

Then if you want overall performance PFF had Ramsey as the third best CB in the league and most rankings have him up their (yes name does help I acknowledge)

You’re also not taking into account Williams overall stats as an outside corner as he played a lot in the slot early on

In summary mate, you don’t have to put it into caps I hadn’t missed what you said, just focusing on one single stat ignoring cause and effect is redundant , so I ignored it.

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I'll clearly have to say this a dozen more times before people start to understand the actual reality of it. 

WE HAVE TWO STARTING CORNERS IN CAMPBELL and WILLIAMS WHO BOTH ARE ALLOWING A MUCH LOWER COMPLETION PERCENTAGE THAN RAMSEY. 
HE IS NOT AN UPGRADE TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
He's had ~ 5 bad games in each of the past two seasons that make him untrustworthy.

Unless you think you are going to put him in the slot and get good production. 
Is that the plan? Tell the most diva-like player in the league that he's your #3 corner? 


Good luck with that one. 

You’re literally looking at one thing and anchoring everything on that. Ok smarty pants, one of those CBS is clearly not following the number one receiver of the opposing team, so that factors in, we then also factor in that the afc south has trash trash quarterbacks Vs an NFC west division that had far superior QB play.

Before you get into (oh maybe they’re playing weaker cornerbacks that’s why, it’s not their QB play was far superior across the league) 

Then if you want overall performance PFF had Ramsey as the third best CB in the league and most rankings have him up their (yes name does help I acknowledge)

You’re also not taking into account Williams overall stats as an outside corner as he played a lot in the slot early on

In summary mate, you don’t have to put it into caps I hadn’t missed what you said, just focusing on one single stat ignoring cause and effect is redundant , so I ignored it.

Sorry I touched a nerve.I'm a bit coarse most of the time.

 I just don't see how he makes this team "instantly" better. I really don't. 
We need a nickel and getting one is way cheaper than what Ramsey will cost.

I did absolutely focus one stat. 

A very important one. 

It is also congruent with what I see watching rams games from the past two seasons. 
Ramsey is brilliant for 3 games and then falls off a cliff in the fourth game or so. 
It's disturbing. Inconsistency with frequency. The ugly games are ugly. 

I have a number of points for you:

• Williams is better outside than in the slot, soles, you are right that I didn't make mention of it. That's because it's irrelevant other than strengthening my point - his advanced stats in the game logs prove this if you go look at them. All his numbers improved when he shifted. 
  
• 2022 Pass yards conceded: Ramsey-659, Campbell-433, Williams-455
  
• 2022 TDs conceded: Ramsey-5, Campbell-6, Williams-1
  
• 2022 Passer Rating conceded: Ramsey-84.5, Campbell-78, Williams-68.7
  
• 2022 Yard per Completion conceded: Ramsey- 11.6, Campbell-9.6, Williams-9.9
  
• 2022 Targets - Ramsey-99, Campbell-83, Williams-91
  
• 2022 Completions allowed: Ramsey-57, Campbell-45, Williams-46
  
• 2022 Penalties:  Ramsey-8 flags for 59 yards, Campbell- 3 flags for 43 yards, Williams-3 flags for 35 yards
  

Now - with all of that laid bare. Is Jalen Ramsey an insanely gifted athlete? Yes, he is. 

Is there any remote guarantee he'll make our defense better. No

Will he be good value since we don't actually need an outside corner currently? No

Could we make our defense better much cheaper by drafting a nickel corner? Yes. 

I just don't see the point.

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You’re literally looking at one thing and anchoring everything on that. Ok smarty pants, one of those CBS is clearly not following the number one receiver of the opposing team, so that factors in, we then also factor in that the afc south has trash trash quarterbacks Vs an NFC west division that had far superior QB play.

Before you get into (oh maybe they’re playing weaker cornerbacks that’s why, it’s not their QB play was far superior across the league) 

Then if you want overall performance PFF had Ramsey as the third best CB in the league and most rankings have him up their (yes name does help I acknowledge)

You’re also not taking into account Williams overall stats as an outside corner as he played a lot in the slot early on

In summary mate, you don’t have to put it into caps I hadn’t missed what you said, just focusing on one single stat ignoring cause and effect is redundant , so I ignored it.

Sorry I touched a nerve.I'm a bit coarse most of the time.

 I just don't see how he makes this team "instantly" better. I really don't. 
We need a nickel and getting one is way cheaper than what Ramsey will cost.

I did absolutely focus one stat. 

A very important one. 

It is also congruent with what I see watching rams games from the past two seasons. 
Ramsey is brilliant for 3 games and then falls off a cliff in the fourth game or so. 
It's disturbing. Inconsistency with frequency. The ugly games are ugly. 

I have a number of points for you:

• Williams is better outside than in the slot, soles, you are right that I didn't make mention of it. That's because it's irrelevant other than strengthening my point - his advanced stats in the game logs prove this if you go look at them. All his numbers improved when he shifted. 
  
• 2022 Pass yards conceded: Ramsey-659, Campbell-433, Williams-455
  
• 2022 TDs conceded: Ramsey-5, Campbell-6, Williams-1
  
• 2022 Passer Rating conceded: Ramsey-84.5, Campbell-78, Williams-68.7
  
• 2022 Yard per Completion conceded: Ramsey- 11.6, Campbell-9.6, Williams-9.9
  
• 2022 Targets - Ramsey-99, Campbell-83, Williams-91
  
• 2022 Completions allowed: Ramsey-57, Campbell-45, Williams-46
  
• 2022 Penalties:  Ramsey-8 flags for 59 yards, Campbell- 3 flags for 43 yards, Williams-3 flags for 35 yards
  

Now - with all of that laid bare. Is Jalen Ramsey an insanely gifted athlete? Yes, he is. 

Is there any remote guarantee he'll make our defense better. No

Will he be good value since we don't actually need an outside corner currently? No

Could we make our defense better much cheaper by drafting a nickel corner? Yes. 

I just don't see the point.

No dramas mate I probably am as well.

Yeah I do agree with a lot of the points on there, and though it’s one season which could be an outlier it’s fair enough the stats to back in up. I think over the course of a few years Ramsey will out perform Williams and make our D better, but I do agree that we could use the money in other ways particularly with a Nickel.

Our D would be better with Ramsey on the outside and moving Williams on the inside than it currently is regardless of the drop off for Williams.

But as you say if we can cut Griffin get a decent slot that we could be better off spending the money elsewhere.

I do remember seeing Williams’ number at the end of the year but do not remember them being that good but did just check it up also so maybe a bit of ignorance my side.

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that doesn't speak to my point one bit.

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Trade one nagging back injury for the other?
What are we, the pro ball chiropractic specialists?

Well, it does though doesn’t it? Celebrating not losing my 2 scores is hardly the epitome of ‘wanting to win’

Is it a coincidence that the 2 people from that roster that the board constantly complained about as ‘having bad attitudes’ because integral parts in subsequent Super Bowl victories for their teams after?

No, maybe they’re just winners and got sick of the losing culture.

How does what the coach does after the fact even address my statement

every bleeping player on the field wants to win.

Just because the coach gives them a participation trophy, a pat on the back or a gold star don't say a thing about whether those guys wanted to win. You're thinking that a piss-poor attempt to keep up morale was a motivating factor to fail. That's quite a stretch.

Is it a coincidence that neither team those guys ended up playing for feel compelled to do whatever it takes to keep them around? After all, they helped get them a ring, right? Those guys are talented, right? We've seen plenty examples of teams wiggle their cap room to fit players they see as integral parts to the team's success, so it can't be a matter of cap space, right?

Maybe, just maybe, it's something else. What could it be?

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You call giving up over 150 yards in the SB being a big part for their SB victory?   He almost single handedly lost the game for them, their 2 best players in AD and Kupp was good enough to make up for Ramsey's horrible game

So we’re going to ignore that his was an all pro selection on their route to get them to the final and just focus on the match got it.

Based on this logic David Tyree would be in the HoF. Got it.

Look what I’m trying to say is, I get why people don’t like him, I don’t particularly either, but you cannot honestly say he doesn’t make this team instantly better, as I said all along if we can keep the cap comparable to Griffin it’s the easiest decision in the world, nice guy or not, he’s a winner.

Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but these ‘attitude issues’ have disappeared since he’s been with the Rams right?

What he does to this locker room instantly would make the team worse. We've done this dance before, did we not learn?

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So we’re going to ignore that his was an all pro selection on their route to get them to the final and just focus on the match got it.

Based on this logic David Tyree would be in the HoF. Got it.

Look what I’m trying to say is, I get why people don’t like him, I don’t particularly either, but you cannot honestly say he doesn’t make this team instantly better, as I said all along if we can keep the cap comparable to Griffin it’s the easiest decision in the world, nice guy or not, he’s a winner.

Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but these ‘attitude issues’ have disappeared since he’s been with the Rams right?

I'll clearly have to say this a dozen more times before people start to understand the actual reality of it. 

WE HAVE TWO STARTING CORNERS IN CAMPBELL and WILLIAMS WHO BOTH ARE ALLOWING A MUCH LOWER COMPLETION PERCENTAGE THAN RAMSEY. 
HE IS NOT AN UPGRADE TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
He's had ~ 5 bad games in each of the past two seasons that make him untrustworthy.

Unless you think you are going to put him in the slot and get good production. 
Is that the plan? Tell the most diva-like player in the league that he's your #3 corner? 


Good luck with that one. 

As long as you chauffeur him around on gameday in a Brinks truck, should be fine. Maybe we just need to give him some sprinkles? I hear that works as a great motivator.

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I'll clearly have to say this a dozen more times before people start to understand the actual reality of it. 

WE HAVE TWO STARTING CORNERS IN CAMPBELL and WILLIAMS WHO BOTH ARE ALLOWING A MUCH LOWER COMPLETION PERCENTAGE THAN RAMSEY. 
HE IS NOT AN UPGRADE TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
He's had ~ 5 bad games in each of the past two seasons that make him untrustworthy.

Unless you think you are going to put him in the slot and get good production. 
Is that the plan? Tell the most diva-like player in the league that he's your #3 corner? 


Good luck with that one. 

You’re literally looking at one thing and anchoring everything on that. Ok smarty pants, one of those CBS is clearly not following the number one receiver of the opposing team, so that factors in, we then also factor in that the afc south has trash trash quarterbacks Vs an NFC west division that had far superior QB play.

Before you get into (oh maybe they’re playing weaker cornerbacks that’s why, it’s not their QB play was far superior across the league) 

Then if you want overall performance PFF had Ramsey as the third best CB in the league and most rankings have him up their (yes name does help I acknowledge)

You’re also not taking into account Williams overall stats as an outside corner as he played a lot in the slot early on

In summary mate, you don’t have to put it into caps I hadn’t missed what you said, just focusing on one single stat ignoring cause and effect is redundant , so I ignored it.

so by this logic, one of our corners IS covering the other team's numero uno and doing a better job of it. Why should we undo what's working, especially if it comes with the risk of imploding everything that we've built since the last implosion?

We had negligible pass rush most of the season, yet our corners still performed as well as Ramsey, if not better. You can't put the blinders on and think that if once again things don't go his way, he isn't gonna pout and throw a tantrum like he did before. That's just foolish.

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Look guys, Ramsey mentioned Jacksonville for ONLY one reason. He knew it would get pub and give the sportswriters something to discuss during a dead period. This would get his name out there, he is good at doing this. (We should know as he did the same to us). LA would jump at the chance to off load him. He knows coming back is foolhardy. But since there is little to do carry on ...lol

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Flipped to the Phins.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Ramsey just went to his 3rd team as he heads south to Miami.

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Yeppers, LA picked up a 3rd round pick in exchange.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Im not sure what it is about Miami because they've got some excellent players and the makings of a very good roster ... But I surely can't be the only one who can't put my finger on something with them .... Theres just an inexplicable whiff of catastrophe on the breeze with them.

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Im not sure what it is about Miami because they've got some excellent players and the makings of a very good roster ... But I surely can't be the only one who can't put my finger on something with them .... Theres just an inexplicable whiff of catastrophe on the breeze with them.

It’s called Tua lol

Their roster is LOADED but if Tua can’t stay healthy they’re toast. If anyone should trade for Rodgers or Lamar, it’s the Fins.

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Im not sure what it is about Miami because they've got some excellent players and the makings of a very good roster ... But I surely can't be the only one who can't put my finger on something with them .... Theres just an inexplicable whiff of catastrophe on the breeze with them.

It’s called Tua lol

Their roster is LOADED but if Tua can’t stay healthy they’re toast. If anyone should trade for Rodgers or Lamar, it’s the Fins.

Yeah I know exactly what you mean but there's just something else there that I can't put my finger on and to be fair im happy to accept I'll almost certainly be proved wrong but it's a culture/locker room/inexperienced coach thing... All feels very ... 

Raidersy ... 

If you get my drift... There's a locker room disaster or a felony, or a 1St overall pick or an earthquake or a wide receiver being bitten by a komodo Dragon or god knows what just waiting to escape

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It’s called Tua lol

Their roster is LOADED but if Tua can’t stay healthy they’re toast. If anyone should trade for Rodgers or Lamar, it’s the Fins.

Yeah I know exactly what you mean but there's just something else there that I can't put my finger on and to be fair im happy to accept I'll almost certainly be proved wrong but it's a culture/locker room/inexperienced coach thing... All feels very ... 

Raidersy ... 

If you get my drift... There's a locker room disaster or a felony, or a 1St overall pick or an earthquake or a wide receiver being bitten by a komodo Dragon or god knows what just waiting to escape

We put the curse on them in the 2000 AFC divisional game. 62 - 7. We retired both Jimmie Johnson and Dan Marino in one fell swoop.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

I’m predicting this deal will not be worth it. Ramsey’s game is on the decline.

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Yeah I know exactly what you mean but there's just something else there that I can't put my finger on and to be fair im happy to accept I'll almost certainly be proved wrong but it's a culture/locker room/inexperienced coach thing... All feels very ... 

Raidersy ... 

If you get my drift... There's a locker room disaster or a felony, or a 1St overall pick or an earthquake or a wide receiver being bitten by a komodo Dragon or god knows what just waiting to escape

We put the curse on them in the 2000 AFC divisional game. 62 - 7. We retired both Jimmie Johnson and Dan Marino in one fell swoop.

It's Tua for sure. McDaniel needs to find a solid insurance plan next week or next month. I wouldn't rule out Hendon Hooker with the 51st pick if he's there. Minshew would also be a decent signing if the Eagles don't try and keep him.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."