(03-06-2023, 10:17 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(03-06-2023, 07:48 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote: You’re literally looking at one thing and anchoring everything on that. Ok smarty pants, one of those CBS is clearly not following the number one receiver of the opposing team, so that factors in, we then also factor in that the afc south has trash trash quarterbacks Vs an NFC west division that had far superior QB play.

Before you get into (oh maybe they’re playing weaker cornerbacks that’s why, it’s not their QB play was far superior across the league) 

Then if you want overall performance PFF had Ramsey as the third best CB in the league and most rankings have him up their (yes name does help I acknowledge)

You’re also not taking into account Williams overall stats as an outside corner as he played a lot in the slot early on

In summary mate, you don’t have to put it into caps I hadn’t missed what you said, just focusing on one single stat ignoring cause and effect is redundant , so I ignored it.

Sorry I touched a nerve.I'm a bit coarse most of the time.

 I just don't see how he makes this team "instantly" better. I really don't. 
We need a nickel and getting one is way cheaper than what Ramsey will cost.

I did absolutely focus one stat. 

A very important one. 

It is also congruent with what I see watching rams games from the past two seasons. 
Ramsey is brilliant for 3 games and then falls off a cliff in the fourth game or so. 
It's disturbing. Inconsistency with frequency. The ugly games are ugly. 

I have a number of points for you:

• Williams is better outside than in the slot, soles, you are right that I didn't make mention of it. That's because it's irrelevant other than strengthening my point - his advanced stats in the game logs prove this if you go look at them. All his numbers improved when he shifted. 
  
• 2022 Pass yards conceded: Ramsey-659, Campbell-433, Williams-455
  
• 2022 TDs conceded: Ramsey-5, Campbell-6, Williams-1
  
• 2022 Passer Rating conceded: Ramsey-84.5, Campbell-78, Williams-68.7
  
• 2022 Yard per Completion conceded: Ramsey- 11.6, Campbell-9.6, Williams-9.9
  
• 2022 Targets - Ramsey-99, Campbell-83, Williams-91
  
• 2022 Completions allowed: Ramsey-57, Campbell-45, Williams-46
  
• 2022 Penalties:  Ramsey-8 flags for 59 yards, Campbell- 3 flags for 43 yards, Williams-3 flags for 35 yards
  

Now - with all of that laid bare. Is Jalen Ramsey an insanely gifted athlete? Yes, he is. 

Is there any remote guarantee he'll make our defense better. No

Will he be good value since we don't actually need an outside corner currently? No

Could we make our defense better much cheaper by drafting a nickel corner? Yes. 

I just don't see the point.

No dramas mate I probably am as well.

Yeah I do agree with a lot of the points on there, and though it’s one season which could be an outlier it’s fair enough the stats to back in up. I think over the course of a few years Ramsey will out perform Williams and make our D better, but I do agree that we could use the money in other ways particularly with a Nickel.

Our D would be better with Ramsey on the outside and moving Williams on the inside than it currently is regardless of the drop off for Williams.

But as you say if we can cut Griffin get a decent slot that we could be better off spending the money elsewhere.

I do remember seeing Williams’ number at the end of the year but do not remember them being that good but did just check it up also so maybe a bit of ignorance my side.

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