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DeSantis 2024 Campaign Thread

#21

(07-22-2023, 01:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(07-22-2023, 01:36 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: See? A narrative. You could work for MSNBC. The left wing media won’t scrutinize them, but the right wing media will. Herein lies the rub. There should be no left or right wing media at all. At least minimally. But there’s not. With very few exceptions it all falls to one side or the other. And for the record, I have criticized, on this board, the right wing media, including Fox.

With you here my friend. 

What I wouldn't give for a reputable, unbiased news source that might bring journalistic integrity back to main stream.

I was so hoping that CNN was going to follow through on their pledge to bring it back to the center and be the icon of accountability and accuracy they used to be. Sadly, with the latest turnover of leadership, it doesn’t appear that will happen.

The media and press contribute mightily to the divisiveness in this country. The Fourth Estate should be our uniter by being the touchstone of sanity, vigilance, skepticism and fairness. I fear the institution is gone for good and that bodes poorly for our future.
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#22
(This post was last modified: 07-22-2023, 02:59 PM by mikesez. Edited 2 times in total.)

(07-22-2023, 02:10 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(07-22-2023, 01:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: With you here my friend. 

What I wouldn't give for a reputable, unbiased news source that might bring journalistic integrity back to main stream.

I was so hoping that CNN was going to follow through on their pledge to bring it back to the center and be the icon of accountability and accuracy they used to be. Sadly, with the latest turnover of leadership, it doesn’t appear that will happen.

The media and press contribute mightily to the divisiveness in this country. The Fourth Estate should be our uniter by being the touchstone of sanity, vigilance, skepticism and fairness. I fear the institution is gone for good and that bodes poorly for our future.

Nobody wants to listen to moderates.  
Every right winger gets angry at a moderate when the moderate goes against right wing orthodoxy, and every left winger does the same.  Nobody remembers the times that the moderate agreed with them.  Nobody is willing to say, "yeah I disagreed with him about X, but I agreed with him about Y and Z." They say, "anybody who doesn't agree with me about X is a bigot/socialist/fascist/idiot, and I don't care what they think about Y and Z."
Further, they are so high on their own supply and confident in the universality of their orthodoxy that they'll insist any moderate is not a "real republican" even after they see the voter registration.

So my message to you now is the same as my message to NYC earlier.
You can hound me and insult me all you want.  You can be the close minded partisan butthead all you want.
But don't hound and insult the moderates out here, don't try to chase them away, and then turn around and wonder where the moderate voices went.
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#23

(07-22-2023, 02:58 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-22-2023, 02:10 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: I was so hoping that CNN was going to follow through on their pledge to bring it back to the center and be the icon of accountability and accuracy they used to be. Sadly, with the latest turnover of leadership, it doesn’t appear that will happen.

The media and press contribute mightily to the divisiveness in this country. The Fourth Estate should be our uniter by being the touchstone of sanity, vigilance, skepticism and fairness. I fear the institution is gone for good and that bodes poorly for our future.

Nobody wants to listen to moderates.  
Every right winger gets angry at a moderate when the moderate goes against right wing orthodoxy, and every left winger does the same.  Nobody remembers the times that the moderate agreed with them.  Nobody is willing to say, "yeah I disagreed with him about X, but I agreed with him about Y and Z." They say, "anybody who doesn't agree with me about X is a bigot/socialist/fascist/idiot, and I don't care what they think about Y and Z."
Further, they are so high on their own supply and confident in the universality of their orthodoxy that they'll insist any moderate is not a "real republican" even after they see the voter registration.

So my message to you now is the same as my message to NYC earlier.
You can hound me and insult me all you want.  You can be the close minded partisan butthead all you want.
But don't hound and insult the moderates out here, don't try to chase them away, and then turn around and wonder where the moderate voices went.

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#24

(07-22-2023, 02:10 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(07-22-2023, 01:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: With you here my friend. 

What I wouldn't give for a reputable, unbiased news source that might bring journalistic integrity back to main stream.

I was so hoping that CNN was going to follow through on their pledge to bring it back to the center and be the icon of accountability and accuracy they used to be. Sadly, with the latest turnover of leadership, it doesn’t appear that will happen.

The media and press contribute mightily to the divisiveness in this country. The Fourth Estate should be our uniter by being the touchstone of sanity, vigilance, skepticism and fairness. I fear the institution is gone for good and that bodes poorly for our future.

Yes, I hate that the forecast calls for wading through a never ending swamp on misinformation and slanted narratives with limited hope of emerging with a few kernels of reliable info. But it appears that will be "the way" for the foreseeable future. 

It makes an already frustrating political process even worse and aides the powerful in corralling the sheeple into the desired formations for control.  And I mean that with zero bias. 
"There are fine sheeple on both sides" LOL
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#25

(07-21-2023, 10:09 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: DeSantis is polling very poorly among Republicans compared to Trump.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-h...023-07-19/

Meanwhile - back home in FL - he's still doing his political stunts instead of substantive policy schtick:

https://twitter.com/CarlosGSmith/status/...94308?s=20

He's stuck between a rock and a hard place

He can't really openly go against Trump right now. He's too strong of an opponent

IMO I think he should have waited until the 2028 elections
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#26

Here’s an example of intentional press bias. This California state official was booted from a school board meeting because he would not follow rules for his allotted time to speak. But that isn’t the story. He was sent there to speak against this local school board’s ruling that parents should be notified if a student expresses an interest in transgenderism. Imagine that, the state is against notifying parents of a potential life altering choice made by a child. 

The Sacramento Bee, which is owned by a corporation which owns other media outlets, failed to include a quote from this state official who called these parents “extremists” for wanting to know what their children are becoming involved in at school. No, if you want to find that quote, you have to go to Fox News to see it.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/educat...31868.html

"I don’t mind being thrown out of a board meeting by extremists. I can take the heat — it’s part of the job. What I can’t accept is the mistreatment of vulnerable students whose privacy is being taken away," he added.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ca-school-...t-children

Seems to me the reading public would want to know if a representative of the state called parents and a local school board “extremists” for wanting to know about their own children.

In no way am I defending Fox News as the arbiters of truth and neutrality. But when a paper intentionally omits an important fact that directly addresses, and affects, their own local readers, it clearly shows an agenda.
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#27

This is a weird little story. Interesting.

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/625...-desantis/
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#28
(This post was last modified: 07-27-2023, 08:48 PM by mikesez. Edited 1 time in total.)

Byron Donald, who represents the Ft Myers area in Washington, is a Republican, and is Black, has come out saying DeSantis needs to correct this newly approved curriculum regarding the "benefits" of slavery.
DeSantis doubled down, saying "why are you siding with Kamala Harris?"
Donald has endorsed Trump for 2024, but this is deeper than that.
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#29

I think it's insane DeSantis argued or is still trying to argue that slavery benefited any group of people. That's a horrible take. Even with the average "Look at the bright side" or "glass half full" types out there. There is NOTHING cool about being taken away from your [BLEEP] homeland and put to work, torture, rape and death to benefit the wealth of someone else. It was sweat labor at the end of the day.

Saying they learned some trade, like being a Blacksmith, or, getting a basic education in English? Yeah, really fair [BLEEP] trade off there I guess. I get taken miles away from my land, perhaps my family, get to witness my daughters getting raped, my son's getting whipped or in some crazy, crazy cases. Enforced incest is made into a spectacle, etc. Yeah, really, REALLY awesome trade off there.

I am sorry, man, but, I can respect what DeSantis did during covid for this state. I can respect his aim of concerns with Disney and some of the immigration stuff. I get it. I get all of that. Especially the school stuff. But, he needs to slow the hell down and dial it back a bit. Because, at this point? He's really doing Trump more favors than he realizes. People still love Trump at the end of the day. Even Rogan pointed it out. How much the crowd cheered for him recently in Florida while Rogan was present there. He said it was bone chilling.
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#30

(07-28-2023, 10:30 AM)Caldrac Wrote: I think it's insane DeSantis argued or is still trying to argue that slavery benefited any group of people. That's a horrible take. Even with the average "Look at the bright side" or "glass half full" types out there. There is NOTHING cool about being taken away from your [BLEEP] homeland and put to work, torture, rape and death to benefit the wealth of someone else. It was sweat labor at the end of the day.

Saying they learned some trade, like being a Blacksmith, or, getting a basic education in English? Yeah, really fair [BLEEP] trade off there I guess. I get taken miles away from my land, perhaps my family, get to witness my daughters getting raped, my son's getting whipped or in some crazy, crazy cases. Enforced incest is made into a spectacle, etc. Yeah, really, REALLY awesome trade off there.

I am sorry, man, but, I can respect what DeSantis did during covid for this state. I can respect his aim of concerns with Disney and some of the immigration stuff. I get it. I get all of that. Especially the school stuff. But, he needs to slow the hell down and dial it back a bit. Because, at this point? He's really doing Trump more favors than he realizes. People still love Trump at the end of the day. Even Rogan pointed it out. How much the crowd cheered for him recently in Florida while Rogan was present there. He said it was bone chilling.

Exactly !!
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#31

(07-28-2023, 10:30 AM)Caldrac Wrote: I think it's insane DeSantis argued or is still trying to argue that slavery benefited any group of people. That's a horrible take. Even with the average "Look at the bright side" or "glass half full" types out there. There is NOTHING cool about being taken away from your [BLEEP] homeland and put to work, torture, rape and death to benefit the wealth of someone else. It was sweat labor at the end of the day.

Saying they learned some trade, like being a Blacksmith, or, getting a basic education in English? Yeah, really fair [BLEEP] trade off there I guess. I get taken miles away from my land, perhaps my family, get to witness my daughters getting raped, my son's getting whipped or in some crazy, crazy cases. Enforced incest is made into a spectacle, etc. Yeah, really, REALLY awesome trade off there.

I am sorry, man, but, I can respect what DeSantis did during covid for this state. I can respect his aim of concerns with Disney and some of the immigration stuff. I get it. I get all of that. Especially the school stuff. But, he needs to slow the hell down and dial it back a bit. Because, at this point? He's really doing Trump more favors than he realizes. People still love Trump at the end of the day. Even Rogan pointed it out. How much the crowd cheered for him recently in Florida while Rogan was present there. He said it was bone chilling.

It’s a strange hill to die on to be sure; however from a pure academic perspective the topic has merit.  Not one I would ever consider from a political stand point.  Next up!
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#32
(This post was last modified: 07-28-2023, 08:47 PM by Lucky2Last.)

You guys should listen to the black, African American history professor who helped write the curriculum. I think they rewrote 200 points of this curriculum and the racist left wants to focus on one and only one of those points. Blacks can only be victims. They can't have any capacity to be resourceful or capable, even in the face of adversity, which was the reason this professor included it. Stop being such rubes.

Let me guess... he's an uncle Tom.
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#33

(07-28-2023, 08:47 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You guys should listen to the black, African American history professor who helped write the curriculum. I think they rewrote 200 points of this curriculum and the racist left wants to focus on one and only one of those points. Blacks can only be victims. They can't have any capacity to be resourceful or capable, even in the face of adversity, which was the reason this professor included it. Stop being such rubes.

Let me guess... he's an uncle Tom.

He's not an Uncle Tom he's just wrong. Or maybe he made a mistake.  The world may never know, because you didnt give me a link or even a name.

As I understand there were about a half dozen black scholars appointed by DeSantis that were supposed to be responsible for this. Each of them as I understand were donors to DeSantis and other Republican candidates going back years.
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#34

"Mr. DeSantis is peddling the wrong message. Only 1 percent of voters think that wokeness and transgender issues are the country’s top problem, according to an April Fox News poll — essentially a repudiation of the governor’s entire brand. Race issues and vaccines are also low on the list."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/28/opini...paign.html

The Fox News poll:

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/c...elease.pdf

22. What do you think is the most important issue facing the country today? [DO NOT
READ LIST. RECORD VERBATIM. ACCEPT ONLY ONE ANSWER]
21-24 Apr 23
Economy / Jobs 24%
Inflation / Cost of living 16
Gun control / Gun violence 12
Political division / Political extremism /
Preservation of democracy 7
Political leadership / Corruption 6
National security / Foreign policy 5
Immigration / Border security 5
Climate change / Environment 4
Crime / Public safety 3
Racism / Race issues 3
Abortion 3
Homelessness / Poverty 2
Health care 2
Wokeness / Transgender issues 1
Government spending / National debt / Deficit 1
Social Security / Seniors 1
Coronavirus / Pandemic / Vaccines 1
Other 4
Not sure / Refused / Don’t know 2
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#35

(07-29-2023, 06:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: "Mr. DeSantis is peddling the wrong message. Only 1 percent of voters think that wokeness and transgender issues are the country’s top problem, according to an April Fox News poll — essentially a repudiation of the governor’s entire brand. Race issues and vaccines are also low on the list."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/28/opini...paign.html

The Fox News poll: 

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/c...elease.pdf

22. What do you think is the most important issue facing the country today? [DO NOT
READ LIST. RECORD VERBATIM. ACCEPT ONLY ONE ANSWER]
21-24 Apr 23
Economy / Jobs 24%
Inflation / Cost of living 16
Gun control / Gun violence 12
Political division / Political extremism /
Preservation of democracy 7
Political leadership / Corruption 6
National security / Foreign policy 5
Immigration / Border security 5
Climate change / Environment 4
Crime / Public safety 3
Racism / Race issues 3
Abortion 3
Homelessness / Poverty 2
Health care 2
Wokeness / Transgender issues 1
Government spending / National debt / Deficit 1
Social Security / Seniors 1
Coronavirus / Pandemic / Vaccines 1
Other 4
Not sure / Refused / Don’t know 2

It's sad that, Economy and Jobs is 26% of the polling, yet, Political leadership and corruption are at a lowly 6%. Do people not get it yet? HELLO! Fix the leadership and corruption and guess what?!?!?!?

You might JUST not to have worry so much about everything else on this list. Holy [BLEEP]....
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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
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#36

(07-29-2023, 07:21 AM)Caldrac Wrote:
(07-29-2023, 06:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: "Mr. DeSantis is peddling the wrong message. Only 1 percent of voters think that wokeness and transgender issues are the country’s top problem, according to an April Fox News poll — essentially a repudiation of the governor’s entire brand. Race issues and vaccines are also low on the list."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/28/opini...paign.html

The Fox News poll: 

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/c...elease.pdf

22. What do you think is the most important issue facing the country today? [DO NOT
READ LIST. RECORD VERBATIM. ACCEPT ONLY ONE ANSWER]
21-24 Apr 23
Economy / Jobs 24%
Inflation / Cost of living 16
Gun control / Gun violence 12
Political division / Political extremism /
Preservation of democracy 7
Political leadership / Corruption 6
National security / Foreign policy 5
Immigration / Border security 5
Climate change / Environment 4
Crime / Public safety 3
Racism / Race issues 3
Abortion 3
Homelessness / Poverty 2
Health care 2
Wokeness / Transgender issues 1
Government spending / National debt / Deficit 1
Social Security / Seniors 1
Coronavirus / Pandemic / Vaccines 1
Other 4
Not sure / Refused / Don’t know 2

It's sad that, Economy and Jobs is 26% of the polling, yet, Political leadership and corruption are at a lowly 6%. Do people not get it yet? HELLO! Fix the leadership and corruption and guess what?!?!?!?

You might JUST not to have worry so much about everything else on this list. Holy [BLEEP]....

I have my pet issue too.
If we can't figure out how to solve "Political division / Political extremism /Preservation of democracy,"
then our opinions on all the other issues will never matter again.
In ordinary circumstances it would be a good thing if few were worried about it.  But these are not ordinary circumstances anymore.
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#37
(This post was last modified: 07-29-2023, 08:12 AM by Caldrac. Edited 1 time in total.)

(07-29-2023, 08:01 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-29-2023, 07:21 AM)Caldrac Wrote: It's sad that, Economy and Jobs is 26% of the polling, yet, Political leadership and corruption are at a lowly 6%. Do people not get it yet? HELLO! Fix the leadership and corruption and guess what?!?!?!?

You might JUST not to have worry so much about everything else on this list. Holy [BLEEP]....

I have my pet issue too.
If we can't figure out how to solve "Political division / Political extremism /Preservation of democracy,"
then our opinions on all the other issues will never matter again.
In ordinary circumstances it would be a good thing if few were worried about it.  But these are not ordinary circumstances anymore.

Agreed. I just think that's a condition of corruption and leadership though. The people in leadership positions should be preaching unity, reaching across the table for handshakes in good agreements that better us all instead of sitting back in their chairs and finger pointing mostly over things that benefit them and their bank accounts. It's all trickle down economics. Figuratively and in reality.
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#38

(07-28-2023, 08:47 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You guys should listen to the black, African American history professor who helped write the curriculum. I think they rewrote 200 points of this curriculum and the racist left wants to focus on one and only one of those points. Blacks can only be victims. They can't have any capacity to be resourceful or capable, even in the face of adversity, which was the reason this professor included it. Stop being such rubes.

Let me guess... he's an uncle Tom.

I'd love to watch you try to sell this shlock to the millions of black democrats who are livid about the ridiculousness of this curriculum addendum. 
LOL

Tell them how racist and stupid they are. That'll work.
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#39
(This post was last modified: 07-29-2023, 12:38 PM by Lucky2Last.)

If course they are livid. Racist dems are cherry picking facts and using their platforms to sow discord and division. I have plenty of black Democrat friends, and it's amazing how easily they are talked off the ledge when given context that's supposed to be empowering. But, it doesn't surprise me the propels here who don't see the value in preaching how resourceful blacks were in this country in spite of years of oppression.

Only victims
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#40

(07-29-2023, 12:38 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: If course they are livid. Racist dems are cherry picking facts and using their platforms to sow discord and division. I have plenty of black Democrat friends, and it's amazing how easily they are talked off the ledge when given context that's supposed to be empowering. But, it doesn't surprise me the propels here who don't see the value in preaching how resourceful blacks were in this country in spite of years of oppression.

Only victims

Every group of people can be resourceful.
Slaves were resourceful from time to time.  Do you think they benefitted from their resourcefulness while enslaved?
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