That's not what the curriculum says. The whole reason those professors included it is because it was fairly common, well documented, and meant to give modern day blacks a more positive and complete view of their peoples resourcefulness. But dems don't like it because blacks can only be victims.

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That's not what the curriculum says. The whole reason those professors included it is because it was fairly common, well documented, and meant to give modern day blacks a more positive and complete view of their peoples resourcefulness. But dems don't like it because blacks can only be victims.

You keep harping on that last line and it is 100% tripe. Just a poorly worded cheap shot at a giant swath of people with infinite varying opinions on the matter. 

Millions of people universally hate this because it is an attempt to insert a "silver lining" into slavery.
And because it is some petty horse [BLEEP] for a politician who had been threatening to remove African American studies ENTIRELY from school curriculums to then add a line that directly says that slaves "personally benifitted" from the skills they may have learned while enslaved.

It's DeSantis playing politics and nothing more.

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That's not what the curriculum says. The whole reason those professors included it is because it was fairly common, well documented, and meant to give modern day blacks a more positive and complete view of their peoples resourcefulness. But dems don't like it because blacks can only be victims.

The curriculum says that slaves learned and benefitted from skills during slavery.
There were much better ways to say this.  
They could have said "While most slaves performed relatively unskilled farm labor, many learned more skilled trades such as blacksmithing and carpentry.  However, none of the slaves were ever able to use these skills for their own benefit.  After slavery,  African Americans continued to learn many useful skills, and it was at this time that they were finally able to benefit from that learning."
But they didn't say that.  Because they were instructed to do a poor job and get headlines for our governor.

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lolololol

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I'll add a lol to that.

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The DeSantis effort to white-wash the curriculum in FL schools just keeps on rolling:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/e...41678.html

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https://twitter.com/DavidOvalle305/statu...30401?s=20

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The DeSantis effort to white-wash the curriculum in FL schools just keeps on rolling:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/e...41678.html

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https://twitter.com/DavidOvalle305/statu...30401?s=20

Slavery was a very big deal in Columbus' time.  Ask Bartolomé de las Casas.  Columbus' contemporaries were outraged that Columbus and his men had enslaved and raped the Taino, and Columbus died in infamy and disrepute because of this.  There were at that time no slaves in Europe, dating back about 1000 years.  There were serfs, but you weren't allowed to whip, rape, or transport serfs.  Slavery was a very big deal.

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Ron DeSantis says mean things. Gavin Newsom is the answer.

https://youtube.com/shorts/yF0G08A6Y9A?feature=share

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Ron DeSantis says mean things. Gavin Newsom is the answer.

https://youtube.com/shorts/yF0G08A6Y9A?feature=share

In most states the cities have to figure out their own stuff while the state law enforcement focuses on rural areas.  It's the opposite in CA.  The state government neither considers nor takes care of the rural parts of the state.

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So, because he approved Prager U as authorized teaching material, we are again going to fixate on the on 1 of many, many pieces of information that could possibly be in bad taste. Sure wish we could scrutinize the left this way. They put out massive piles of dogshit on the regular and call it education. Hell, half of this problem, even the 2 minor tidbits of information we are now elevating to the forefront of political dialogue, are responses to the skewed curriculum that has been peddled by the left for the last 30 years.

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So, because he approved Prager U as authorized teaching material, we are again going to fixate on the on 1 of many, many pieces of information that could possibly be in bad taste. "Bad taste". HAHAHAHA! Euphemism award for the day to L2L.  

Sure wish we could scrutinize the left this way.
You can! 
But  - before you move to deflect - don't let the opportunity pass for you to acknowledge how stupid it is for DeSantis to be constantly railing against indoctrination while installing his preferred brand of white christian nationalist indoctrination. 

They put out massive piles of dogshit on the regular and call it education. Hell, half of this problem, even the 2 minor tidbits of information we are now elevating to the forefront of political dialogue, are responses to the skewed curriculum that has been peddled by the left for the last 30  years.

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That's not what the curriculum says. The whole reason those professors included it is because it was fairly common, well documented, and meant to give modern day blacks a more positive and complete view of their peoples resourcefulness. But dems don't like it because blacks can only be victims.

The curriculum says that slaves learned and benefitted from skills during slavery.
There were much better ways to say this.  
They could have said "While most slaves performed relatively unskilled farm labor, many learned more skilled trades such as blacksmithing and carpentry.  However, none of the slaves were ever able to use these skills for their own benefit.  After slavery,  African Americans continued to learn many useful skills, and it was at this time that they were finally able to benefit from that learning."
But they didn't say that.  Because they were instructed to do a poor job and get headlines for our governor.

That's not what it says. Have you actually read the standards?

https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php...lt/6-4.pdf

Read them and then you can come back and admit the democrats and MSM got you trusting them again when lying to you.

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The curriculum says that slaves learned and benefitted from skills during slavery.
There were much better ways to say this.  
They could have said "While most slaves performed relatively unskilled farm labor, many learned more skilled trades such as blacksmithing and carpentry.  However, none of the slaves were ever able to use these skills for their own benefit.  After slavery,  African Americans continued to learn many useful skills, and it was at this time that they were finally able to benefit from that learning."
But they didn't say that.  Because they were instructed to do a poor job and get headlines for our governor.

That's not what it says. Have you actually read the standards?

https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php...lt/6-4.pdf

Read them and then you can come back and admit the democrats and MSM got you trusting them again when lying to you.

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Have you read them?
"Benchmark Clarifications:
Clarification 1: Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

Slaves can't personally benefit from anything.   That's the definition of slavery.

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It's amazing how you can google when it's convenient. Otherwise, you need a link, lol. 3 pages in and we don't even discuss the truth of the issue.

So, because he approved Prager U as authorized teaching material, we are again going to fixate on the on 1 of many, many pieces of information that could possibly be in bad taste. "Bad taste". HAHAHAHA! Euphemism award for the day to L2L.  

Sure wish we could scrutinize the left this way.
You can! 
But  - before you move to deflect - don't let the opportunity pass for you to acknowledge how stupid it is for DeSantis to be constantly railing against indoctrination while installing his preferred brand of white christian nationalist indoctrination. 

They put out massive piles of dogshit on the regular and call it education. Hell, half of this problem, even the 2 minor tidbits of information we are now elevating to the forefront of political dialogue, are responses to the skewed curriculum that has been peddled by the left for the last 30  years.

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Yeah, well, I did acknowledge it. I started off by acknowledging it could be seen in bad taste. You made a whole comment about it before somehow suggesting that I can't acknowledge it. That's neato, pal.

It doesn't change the fact that it's true, and it's a very small snippet of a much larger curriculum. It's one piece of information that is part of many other pieces of information. Some good, Some bad. None of you leftist nuthuggers care about context. Take any comment out of context and claim it's bad, then shout it from the rooftops until everyone is bleating the same tune. I went through all of the new standards and I can't find anything untrue. It definitely focuses more on the positive contributions of blacks and their ability to persevere through hardships. I can see why that's TERRIBLE for the left. Blacks gotta be victims. We can only shape the world view one way.

Both visions are valid and have their place. I can say that. Where you at?

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That's not what it says. Have you actually read the standards?

https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php...lt/6-4.pdf

Read them and then you can come back and admit the democrats and MSM got you trusting them again when lying to you.

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Have you read them?
"Benchmark Clarifications:
Clarification 1: Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

Slaves can't personally benefit from anything.   That's the definition of slavery.

Then you need to learn some history. Some slaves were able to buy their freedom using the skills they picked up and personally benefit. Also not everyone who owned slaves treated them terribly.

You are trying to add context that isn't there. It doesn't say anything about slavery being fine and people being able to learn skills so it makes it all fine. You left out the first part where students are to learn about the duties slaves had to perform. Then if you read the clarification and what the people who wrote it intend, you will understand it to be telling personal stories of slaves who were able to overcome their circumstances and succeed. It's meant to be about surviving and persevering in terrible situations.

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DeSantis is dealing with an indictment gap.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/gotta-d...07105.html

How can Ron DeSantis regain momentum in the 2024 GOP presidential primary?

A key ally suggests jokingly that the Florida governor needs to get indicted, just like his chief rival Donald Trump.

“I’ve said we gotta figure out, we got to find some judge in Florida that’ll indict DeSantis quick, to close this indictment gap,” said GOP Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky, who served with the candidate in Congress and has endorsed his campaign. “It’s a truism that anytime someone is being persecuted, their camp rallies to their defense.”

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Have you read them?
"Benchmark Clarifications:
Clarification 1: Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

Slaves can't personally benefit from anything.   That's the definition of slavery.

Then you need to learn some history. Some slaves were able to buy their freedom using the skills they picked up and personally benefit. Also not everyone who owned slaves treated them terribly.

You are trying to add context that isn't there. It doesn't say anything about slavery being fine and people being able to learn skills so it makes it all fine. You left out the first part where students are to learn about the duties slaves had to perform. Then if you read the clarification and what the people who wrote it intend, you will understand it to be telling personal stories of slaves who were able to overcome their circumstances and succeed. It's meant to be about surviving and persevering in terrible situations.

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You're agreeing with me and don't realize it.  Benefits were possible, but only after freedom.  An owner was never under any obligation to let a slave keep anything. "Do side work after supper time, save up money, and you can buy yourself from me for $1,000." Then one night when they have nearly enough money, you just come in and take it.  Nothing they can do.  Or maybe you do free them, but then what's to prevent a slave trader from coming through and capturing them again? The freed slave is still basically not safe unless they are living under the protection of your household. And if you get a reputation for being too kind to the blacks living in your household,  the whites that you have to do business with will find ways to punish you for it.

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Well, that's pretty cool info, Mikey. Makes a ton of sense, too, since it leads right into the part of the curriculum that discusses how slaves went about getting their freedom. It's a good thing kids will have that context so they can make sense of why slaves were able to buy their freedom. What a silly thing to quibble about. You only are on that side of the argument because Democrats told you to get mad about this.

There is SO much misinformation about history out there. Yes, this leans right, but they are hardly shying away from the evil of slavery and the horrors it inflicted on people. And by leans right, I don't mean it makes white supremacists. I mean it focuses on the moral of having an anti-slavery mindset and a can-do spirit against all odds. That's not indoctrination. It's just a different emphasis. I would argue it's a better lens to view the world, but, then again, Blacks gotta be victims or the left isn't happy.

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Accumulating the assets to buy your own freedom required the permission of your owner, which he could rescind at any time.
And once freed, you were in constant need of a white person to vouch for your freedom. You were in constant danger of being enslaved again, whether by roving gangs of slave traders or by explicit written government policies telling free blacks to leave certain areas or be enslaved again. At any time a white person could whip you and you couldn't do anything about it even if you were free. You would just hope that other white people would punish and discourage that person from whipping you again. No matter what skills you acquired, white people would avoid doing business with you and underpay you when they did.
This freedom was very much on paper only.
Freedom came during the Civil war.

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No [BLEEP]. What do you think you're teaching anybody here?

The point was that blacks gained skills they could use to benefit them. When they eventually were able to work for themselves, they utilized those skills and were doing well with them. Not all, but some. They were progressing in every way right up until our broken [BLEEP] welfare system destroyed their family unit. It's a well-documented fact.

Just because a certain group of sociopaths want to manipulate people for votes instead of trying to give them a sense of common purpose and individual capability, doesn't mean anyone else should be forbidden from pointing out the ways blacks were proving resilient and independent. The people who wrote this curriculum used the model of Booker T. Washington's "Up From Slavery," according to one of the black, African American history professors that helped write it. They do not shy away from the horrors of slavery, or the difficulties blacks had to endure. Any attempt to say otherwise is just manipulation.

Here... from NPR. A link, since you can google everything except something that educates you:

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/119042795...y-cirricul

The people complaining about it are ignorant and see blacks as victims only as far as I'm concerned, which makes them bigots. Why else should we be forbidden from talking about black accomplishment in the face of great oppression? I guess only the LGBTQ movement can have pride. Blacks can only be victims.

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