You're wasting your time with that one.  Mr. "conversate" just doesn't get it and never will....

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Pete Carrol, Jon Gruden, Bill Belicheck, John Madden... Shall i continue..

1.  Pete Carroll failed with the Patriots and Jets before succeeding in Seattle.  http://www.pro-football-reference.com/co...arrPe0.htm

 

2.  Gruden has always won with vets, not rookies and first year guys.  But even with his winning, he had some losing seasons as well. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/co...rudJo0.htm

 

As for the rosters...here's his first winning team in Oakland  http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...roster.htm

 

Note the disparity in experience between Gruden's first winning team in Oakland and Bradley's first two teams here, especially at QB.  The same holds true in Tampa.

 

3.  Belicheck failed in Cleveland before succeeding in New England .  In fact, he had five losing seasons in his first six years there before becoming the Pats coach. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/co...eliBi0.htm

 

4.  Madden won with some all time greats on his roster like Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Fred Biletnikoff, Ted Hendricks, Jim Otto, Dave Dalby, Dave Casper, Willie Brown (all hall of famers)  Here was his first team in Oakland-Just two seasons removed from appearing in Super Bowl II http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...roster.htm

 

Here was his team that won Super Bowl XI.  http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...roster.htm

 

Do you really equate those teams with the ones that Bradley inherited? Seriously?

 

In light of the above, it's far from a given that any of the guys you mentioned would have won with the roster inherited by Bradley.

 

To answer your question...yes, by all means...continue.

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All heck was breaking loose around Bradley, yet he didn't freak out and stayed positive, clapping as the defense was coming off the field.

 

Well, that's what cheerleaders and Pee Wee coaches are supposed to do...........

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

1.  Pete Carroll failed with the Patriots and Jets before succeeding in Seattle.  http://www.pro-football-reference.com/co...arrPe0.htm

 

2.  Gruden has always won with vets, not rookies and first year guys.  But even with his winning, he had some losing seasons as well. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/co...rudJo0.htm

 

As for the rosters...here's his first winning team in Oakland  http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...roster.htm

 

Note the disparity in experience between Gruden's first winning team in Oakland and Bradley's first two teams here, especially at QB.  The same holds true in Tampa.

 

3.  Belicheck failed in Cleveland before succeeding in New England .  In fact, he had five losing seasons in his first six years there before becoming the Pats coach. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/co...eliBi0.htm

 

4.  Madden won with some all time greats on his roster like Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Fred Biletnikoff, Ted Hendricks, Jim Otto, Dave Dalby, Dave Casper, Willie Brown (all hall of famers)  Here was his first team in Oakland-Just two seasons removed from appearing in Super Bowl II http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...roster.htm

 

Here was his team that won Super Bowl XI.  http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...roster.htm

 

Do you really equate those teams with the ones that Bradley inherited? Seriously?

 

In light of the above, it's far from a given that any of the guys you mentioned would have won with the roster inherited by Bradley.

 

To answer your question...yes, by all means...continue.

 

I don't believe many people are saying those HCs mentioned would have necessarily had a winning record with the roster Gus has had each of the last 3 seasons, but more that those former great/really good HCs would have been able to end each of those 3 seasons with a better record then Gus did going 4-12, 3-13 and 5-11 respectively.

 

Also, that any of those HCs mentioned would have a better 3 yr record then the 12-36 record that Gus holds, with the exact same roster.

 

It's something we will never know though, only something we can speculate about.

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I don't believe many people are saying those HCs mentioned would have necessarily had a winning record with the roster Gus has had each of the last 3 seasons, but more that those former great/really good HCs would have been able to end each of those 3 seasons with a better record then Gus did going 4-12, 3-13 and 5-11 respectively.

 

Also, that any of those HCs mentioned would have a better 3 yr record then the 12-36 record that Gus holds, with the exact same roster.

 

It's something we will never know though, only something we can speculate about.

Yo Boy said these coaches (and more) would have been successful with the same roster that Bradley had from 2013-2015.  I don't think anyone would deem anything less than a winning record in any of those seasons "success."

 

Several others, while not addressing this particular point, have to share similar views because they absolutely trash Bradley as a coach.  They wouldn't do that if, talent wise, they saw it as an impossible mission.

 

But you say they would have had better records?

 

Based upon what?  How much better are we talking?  A game or two here or there?

 

Bradley himself could have won 2-3 more games last year if we had a better kicker in the first Colts game and had a C who mastered the shotgun snap in two games late.

 

That had nothing to do with coaching.

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So many busts.

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<b>We Believe In Victory..</b>

I don't believe many people are saying those HCs mentioned would have necessarily had a winning record with the roster Gus has had each of the last 3 seasons, but more that those former great/really good HCs would have been able to end each of those 3 seasons with a better record then Gus did going 4-12, 3-13 and 5-11 respectively.

 

Also, that any of those HCs mentioned would have a better 3 yr record then the 12-36 record that Gus holds, with the exact same roster.

 

It's something we will never know though, only something we can speculate about.

 

So what?  So they go...what...15-33 and you're happy?  17-31?  I doubt it.

 

He's had rosters with tons of holes.  This will be the first roster he's had where I feel he should compete.  I'm all for getting rid of him if he doesn't produce this year.  But to expect anything but losing records with the rosters he's has is some serious dreaming.

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1. Pete Carroll failed with the Patriots and Jets before succeeding in Seattle. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/CarrPe0.htm'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/CarrPe0.htm</a>


2. Gruden has always won with vets, not rookies and first year guys. But even with his winning, he had some losing seasons as well. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GrudJo0.htm'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GrudJo0.htm</a>


As for the rosters...here's his first winning team in Oakland <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/2000_roster.htm'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/2000_roster.htm</a>


Note the disparity in experience between Gruden's first winning team in Oakland and Bradley's first two teams here, especially at QB. The same holds true in Tampa.


3. Belicheck failed in Cleveland before succeeding in New England . In fact, he had five losing seasons in his first six years there before becoming the Pats coach. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/BeliBi0.htm'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/BeliBi0.htm</a>


4. Madden won with some all time greats on his roster like Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Fred Biletnikoff, Ted Hendricks, Jim Otto, Dave Dalby, Dave Casper, Willie Brown (all hall of famers) Here was his first team in Oakland-Just two seasons removed from appearing in Super Bowl II <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/1969_roster.htm'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/1969_roster.htm</a>


Here was his team that won Super Bowl XI. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/1976_roster.htm'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/1976_roster.htm</a>


Do you really equate those teams with the ones that Bradley inherited? Seriously?


In light of the above, it's far from a given that any of the guys you mentioned would have won with the roster inherited by Bradley.


To answer your question...yes, by all means...continue.

You see the statement that was said was that their are no coaches that could have done a better job then Gus with the talent we have... And i disagree with that.. I believe their are coaches that would have done better.. Gruden could have one more games last year.. Pete Carrol could have won more games... Tony Dungy would have won more games coaching...


Stop trying to defend a coach when you have no evidence that he is a good coach..

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Back on topic... how 'bout that Caldwell guy, ammirie???


This season cannot get here soon enough

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You see the statement that was said was that their are no coaches that could have done a better job then Gus with the talent we have... And i disagree with that.. I believe their are coaches that would have done better.. Gruden could have one more games last year.. Pete Carrol could have won more games... Tony Dungy would have won more games coaching...


Stop trying to defend a coach when you have no evidence that he is a good coach..

 

But you have no idea if this is true.  You're just throwing names out there.  That's the big problem with your theory.

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But you have no idea if this is true.  You're just throwing names out there.  That's the big problem with your theory.

 

Do you not agree that "Gruden could have one more games last year"?

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But you have no idea if this is true. You're just throwing names out there. That's the big problem with your theory.

Well my theory is still better then your fact! And the fact is Gus lead us to a 5-11 record last year... I hope Gus pans out.. I hope he learns from Kiffin.. I hope he can become a great coach .. But until then the jury's still out on him..

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You see the statement that was said was that their are no coaches that could have done a better job then Gus with the talent we have... And i disagree with that.. I believe their are coaches that would have done better.. Gruden could have one more games last year.. Pete Carrol could have won more games... Tony Dungy would have won more games coaching...


Stop trying to defend a coach when you have no evidence that he is a good coach..

 

No, the original question I posed to you was which coaches would have been successful with the roster Bradley had from 2013-2015.

 

http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/top.../?p=751292

 

You then listed the coaches who would have been successful-not done a better job than Gus with the talent we have.

 

I do not assert Bradley is a good coach.  What I have argued consistently is we have insufficient evidence to declare him a bad coach, based upon the lack of talent he had on the roster prior to this year.

 

I have also consistently argued that now, Bradley has enough talent and experience on the roster now to be competitive and have a chance to win, and that if Bradley does not win, it would be very difficult to justify keeping him around.

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Do you not agree that "Gruden could have one more games last year"?

Bradley could have won more games last year not changing a single coaching decision if Myers makes the kick in Indy and Wiz does not forget how to execute a shotgun snap.

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Well my theory is still better then your fact! And the fact is Gus lead us to a 5-11 record last year... I hope Gus pans out.. I hope he learns from Kiffin.. I hope he can become a great coach .. But until then the jury's still out on him..

1.  How is your theory any better when Belichick had losing records in 5 out of his first 6 seasons as a head coach with a more talented roster?  How is your theory any better when ALL of the coaches you listed had histories of losing for the most part, and all had better rosters with which to work?

 

2.  Saying the jury is still out on Bradley is entirely different from saying he's a bad coach.  If your assertion is we still don't know whether Bradley is a good or bad coach, I can definitely agree with that because of the lack of talent with which he's been hamstrung.  If it is your assertion he is a bad coach who failed miserably given an adequate NFL roster, I strongly disagree with that assertion.

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Well my theory is still better then your fact! And the fact is Gus lead us to a 5-11 record last year... I hope Gus pans out.. I hope he learns from Kiffin.. I hope he can become a great coach .. But until then the jury's still out on him..

 

Actually, that makes zero sense.  

 

Coming from you, not a surprise.

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Actually, that makes zero sense.  

 

Coming from you, not a surprise.

 

Not only that, but isn't it flat out impossible? I mean, when is a theory ever better then than a fact?

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

"My theory is better than your fact"


Lol.

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Shock the world

"My theory is still  better than then your fact"


Lol.

 

Sorry, but if you're going to quote something then you need to quote it exactly. Them's tha rules.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

I do not assert Bradley is a good coach.  What I have argued consistently is we have insufficient evidence to declare him a bad coach, based upon the lack of talent he had on the roster prior to this year.

 

 

While I agree with this, it's worth pointing out that we do have plenty of evidence regarding his game day abilities. For instance, he's exhibited questionable time management skills where you really don't know what me might do near the end of the game. This is in stark contrast to other HCs who are time management masters. This is merely one example, and there are others, but at the same time we need to account for his own development as a HC. He does appear to be getting better, and one specific proof in point is with the red flag. Early on he'd let his emotions determine when to throw the flag and he'd lose valuable time outs and challenges. But he recognized this fault in himself, and corrected it. It appears he worked things out with the guy upstairs, because after addressing the issue, he was suddenly a red flag master. I also submit that he's developed halftime adjustment skills that in years prior were completely absent from his game.

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