So it has nothing to do with him being a jerkwad? I am certain others have battled W on any # of things, yet Cruz is the only one I have heard him publicly say he doesn't like.

 

Cruz is the only republican to give him a very public black eye while he was president.  His jerkwad combativeness is what gave Bush the black eye, so it does probably have something to do with it, lol.

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It's no more a theocracy than wanting a new national minimum wage of $15 being socialist.  The only way they're going to get that is to force their values on people.

Forcing Christian Values on people is creating a theocracy.  Especially in a country where Freedom of Religion is a guaranteed right.  The state is supposed to not favor any religion in any way shape or form.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Yup.  Liberty.  You're free from having to listen to two parents - now you only have to listen to your single, working mother or more importantly big, government.

So it's ok if government tells you that you can't get married, but not ok for government to tell you that you can. Do I have that about right?

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No, I don't mean a Syrian lie about where they come from.  I mean get a Radicalized European Citizen to fly over here on a visa waiver, and then they live here under the radar.

 

Sure...  But then they aren't refugees and it's totally moot.  It's easy to radicalize Americans as well.  Why is it easier to fly radicalized Europeans here than Syrian refugees?  Because there is a vetting process.  So now we've established that its obvious that vetting works since every other route is easier than bringing in refugees.  So why are we against further vetting then?

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Forcing Christian Values on people is creating a theocracy.  Especially in a country where Freedom of Religion is a guaranteed right.  The state is supposed to not favor any religion in any way shape or form.

 

Forcing religion and being against the censorship of religion are totally different things.  Ted Cruz isn't forcing Muslims or Jews to convert.  He may go overboard on some things, but things like censoring Under God out of the Pledge of Allegiance or firing any school coach who prays is censorship of religion which kind of spits in the face of Freedom of Religion, don't ya think?

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Sure...  But then they aren't refugees and it's totally moot.  It's easy to radicalize Americans as well.  Why is it easier to fly radicalized Europeans here than Syrian refugees?  Because there is a vetting process.  So now we've established that its obvious that vetting works since every other route is easier than bringing in refugees.  So why are we against further vetting then?

Because there's no reason for ISIS to try to get their agents over here through refugees when they can easily get radicalized Europeans here instead.


Why would ISIS take the harder route, rather than radicalizing Americans, or sending radicalized European Citizens--which is far easier.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

So it's ok if government tells you that you can't get married, but not ok for government to tell you that you can. Do I have that about right?

 

I personally don't care.  If it were up to me I'd erase marriage from government altogether and leave it as a religious ceremony.  Eliminate it from the tax code, from everything.  Then gays can have their own marriage celebrations and Christians can too and we can stop fighting over something that really doesn't mean anything to the government.

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Forcing religion and being against the censorship of religion are totally different things.  Ted Cruz isn't forcing Muslims or Jews to convert.  He may go overboard on some things, but things like censoring Under God out of the Pledge of Allegiance or firing any school coach who prays is censorship of religion which kind of spits in the face of Freedom of Religion, don't ya think?

I think this country has far more important things to talk about than a couple of words in a recitation, a few words on a dollar bill or a football coach who asks (which is very different from instructing) his team to join him in a pregame or postgame prayer. Things like, I don't know, the thousands of loosely-organized people with no fear of death who want to kill us whenever they get the chance?

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Because there's no reason for ISIS to try to get their agents over here through refugees when they can easily get radicalized Europeans here instead.


Why would ISIS take the harder route, rather than radicalizing Americans, or sending radicalized European Citizens--which is far easier.  

 

You're missing the point.  It is harder BECAUSE there is vetting.  If there was no vetting, it certainly would be easier to just send refugees.  And neither route is particularly difficult.  Do you honestly believe ISIS doesn't and hasn't sent radicalized refugees already?  Some are already living here and I'm sure more have been denied entry.  

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I think this country has far more important things to talk about than a couple of words in a recitation, a few words on a dollar bill or a football coach who asks (which is very different from instructing) his team to join him in a pregame or postgame prayer. Things like, I don't know, the thousands of loosely-organized people with no fear of death who want to kill us whenever they get the chance?

 

Totally agree.

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Forcing religion and being against the censorship of religion are totally different things.  Ted Cruz isn't forcing Muslims or Jews to convert.  He may go overboard on some things, but things like censoring Under God out of the Pledge of Allegiance or firing any school coach who prays is censorship of religion which kind of spits in the face of Freedom of Religion, don't ya think?

 

No it doesn't spit in the face of freedom of religion to want to take "Under God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance.  It wasn't added to the pledge until 1954, and some think that students shouldn't have to say the Pledge at all (which I agree with).  Why should students have to say the words "under god"?  (or pledge allegiance at all for that matter.  Some think it's kind of socialist *coughericcough*)


Firing a coach who prays is censorship.  Firing or suspending a coach who leads a prayer when other groups aren't allowed to do the same isn't censorship.  A lot of places self-censor to avoid other groups from putting their own stuff up/doing their own prayers (particulary TST) 

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

I don't care if the thought behind the reasoning comes from faith, I do not want a President dumb enough, and disrespectful of science enough, to believe the age of our planet is in the thousands of years.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Watching people try to look smart while defending an utter moron like Carson is hilariously pathetic. It's OK to just let it go. Nobody will think less of you.

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You are right with that first sentence. I agree with it, sadly, because it shows how PC our country is right now. If you aren't PC then people think you're evil.

I guess I'm evil then, because I am certainly not PC. I'm not going to go out of my way to degrade someone or hurt their feelings, but I'm not doing to pay lip service either. I have to keep my mouth shut quite a bit these days because the arguments just aren't worth my time and energy. And I say arguments because so many seem to be unable to have a civil conversation of differing viewpoints without wigging out and start name calling and such.

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Watching people try to look smart while defending an utter moron like Carson is hilariously pathetic. It's OK to just let it go. Nobody will think less of you.

I find it hilariously pathetic watching people call a man who started with nothing and whom became the world's premier neurosurgeon, a successful businessman, a recipient of many honors including the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and a presidential frontrunner, an utter moron. Especially considering that he was considered a shining beacon by democrats and blacks up until the National Prayer Breakfast a few years ago when he dared criticize Führer Obama. Hero to lunatic overnight. Pretty sure that if Carson is an actual idiot then we are all kindergarteners.

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Pretty sure that if Carson is an actual idiot then we are all kindergarteners.

So would that make Bortles the Einstein of the New World Order or what?

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So would that make Bortles the Einstein of the New World Order or what?

Eggggss Zactly. Now we're finally putting to use all the colors in the crayon box.

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I find it hilariously pathetic watching people call a man who started with nothing and whom became the world's premier neurosurgeon, a successful businessman, a recipient of many honors including the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and a presidential frontrunner, an utter moron. Especially considering that he was considered a shining beacon by democrats and blacks up until the National Prayer Breakfast a few years ago when he dared criticize Führer Obama. Hero to lunatic overnight. Pretty sure that if Carson is an actual idiot then we are all kindergarteners.

Carson is a shining example of the American dream. Ive said that multiple times. Hes also a shining example of a certain group celebrating ignorance. If he can compare refugees to rabid dogs and suggest Muslims ought not be president I don't think it's unreasonable for me to call him a moron.


He thinks and says things that are false. Some people clearly want someone like that as president and celebrate it.

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Most doctors should stick to doctoring.  They are not good at things normal people would excel at, like choosing a car or a mistress or a campaign manager.  They pay too much for everything.   

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Dr Ben Carson might not be Presidential material but he'd make a real good Surgeon General.

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Instead of a sign that says "Do Not Disturb" I need one that says "Already Disturbed Proceed With Caution."