What's interesting to me here, isn't that it's being done but that it's being done by an evangelical university. 

 

Evangelical is a big word that is used to describe a full cross section of religious traditions.  That being said i was shocked as well.  reading the article its obvious that the folks over at seattle pacific are pretty left of center.  There is an explanation for how some people reconcile that with the concept of evangelism but i'm not sure that explanation would jibe with the COC.  

 

As was stated earlier in this thread, the church changed their position a few days ago and will allow the flag and the Pledge. Non-story. Let's move on to the next wacky Trump quote.

 

I think that would be a mistake.  The greater question is what's the psychology of someone who is made uncomfortable by the flag or the pledge?  

 

As to the separation of church and state there is nothing int he establishment clause that precludes patriotic expression in a religious context.  

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I guess my church wasn't that patriotic. Or was just focused on a different message.


I personally don't care whether or not churches do this. Freedom of speech/religion protects against much worse. It is weird that they would request this in the first place though. I agree this is an inflated non-story. (Now what was it trying to distract me from?)


I'm more interested to see how many politicians who voted against veterans try to make a photo op out of the holiday.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

I think that would be a mistake.  The greater question is what's the psychology of someone who is made uncomfortable by the flag or the pledge?  

I don't much care and would rather like it if we could get back to making fun of Ben Carson.

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I've been to many services where the presenting of Colors happened prior to the start of the service, and The Colors were retired at the conclusion of the service in true military fashion.  I will admit that it's unusual for The Pledge to be recited, but The Colors have always been displayed and a part of the ceremony.  This wasn't necessarily just for a celebration such as Veteran's Day, but also for weddings and funerals.

Weddings of servicemen and funerals for veterans does make sense as they are major life events/sacraments which are often tied to those services. I hadn't thought of that. I do remember that from my father's funeral. But certainly not your common Sunday service.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

What's interesting to me here, isn't that it's being done but that it's being done by an evangelical university.

I know we're not supposed to talk about religion and I'm not trying to put anyone down, but I would like to go on record that I simply do not get evangelicals.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

I tend to avoid Churches that recite socialist propaganda like the pledge of allegiance, shouldn't your allegiance be to your family, your religion, your community not the state! And for the love of God when did all this become insolvable?! Doesn't that defy the spirit of free association?


Personally I refuse to recite the pledge of socialist propaganda and when I stumble into a religious institution pushing it I know I've found a group of people with absolutely no knowledge of the pledges history or purpose.

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I tend to avoid Churches that recite socialist propaganda like the pledge of allegiance, shouldn't your allegiance be to your family, your religion, your community not the state! And for the love of God when did all this become insolvable?! Doesn't that defy the spirit of free association?


Personally I refuse to recite the pledge of socialist propaganda and when I stumble into a religious institution pushing it I know I've found a group of people with absolutely no knowledge of the pledges history or purpose.

 

lol ... you never fail to amuse.

 

God forbid (pun intended) that you say words of praise and feeling for the land and people of your country.

 

I bet your wife rolls her eyes a lot.

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I'll have to research this beyond that obviously biased article, but it appears to be yet another bogus situation for people to feel offended, and I'm not talking about those attending the service.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

shouldn't your allegiance be to your family, your religion, your community not the state!

 

Can't you make that argument for everything? Aren't they, essentially, pledging allegiance to the US Constitution? Aren't you a big proponent of a strict interpretation; and a pledge can be argued as an expression of that. 

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Can't you make that argument for everything? Aren't they, essentially, pledging allegiance to the US Constitution? Aren't you a big proponent of a strict interpretation; and a pledge can be argued as an expression of that.

But it's not a pledge to the constitution or even te spirit of the constitution. It was written by a socialist minister with the intent to teach children loyalty to the state above all else.


There's nothing patriotic about the pledge. Most people just simply have no idea of its origins or intent.

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lol ... you never fail to amuse.


God forbid (pun intended) that you say words of praise and feeling for the land and people of your country.


I bet your wife rolls her eyes a lot.

Nah my wife makes me look like a moderate

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I know we're not supposed to talk about religion and I'm not trying to put anyone down, but I would like to go on record that I simply do not get evangelicals.

 

what?  first, i don't understand a coc policy that wouldn't allow me to respond in kind to this comment, if they allow the comment to be posted.  Secondly, whats the point of saying that? 

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Nah my wife makes me look like a moderate

That's hot...

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

what?  first, i don't understand a coc policy that wouldn't allow me to respond in kind to this comment, if they allow the comment to be posted.  Secondly, whats the point of saying that?

Well I dont get religious people who aren't Evangelical, so there.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The message board rules do not allow religious discussion, but it's impossible to filter it automatically and the moderators cannot be expected to catch everything.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
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But it's not a pledge to the constitution or even te spirit of the constitution. It was written by a socialist minister with the intent to teach children loyalty to the state above all else.


There's nothing patriotic about the pledge. Most people just simply have no idea of its origins or intent.

 

Nothing patriotic?

 

Is that because it was written by the socialist minister?

 

"...to the Republic for which it stands"

"...with liberty and justice for all."

 

I don't necessarily care one way or the other, but to say it's not at all patriotic or doesn't pledge to the spirit of the Constitution isn't exactly true, either.

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Nothing patriotic?

 

Is that because it was written by the socialist minister?

 

"...to the Republic for which it stands"

"...with liberty and justice for all."

 

I don't necessarily care one way or the other, but to say it's not at all patriotic or doesn't pledge to the spirit of the Constitution isn't exactly true, either.

 

I ask, with all sincerity, is capitalism required, according to the Constitution?

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

I ask, with all sincerity, is capitalism required, according to the Constitution?

 

That's a very good question, one that can be debated and discussed to great lengths.  My short answer is "yes and no".  A capitalist society is a free society.  Let me counter by asking you this.  Is socialism or communism required according to The Constitution?

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That's a very good question, one that can be debated and discussed to great lengths. My short answer is "yes and no". A capitalist society is a free society. Let me counter by asking you this. Is socialism or communism required according to The Constitution?

This probably ought be its own thread.

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This probably ought be its own thread.

 

Feel free to start said thread and give your ideas regarding it.

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