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#41

Quote:I ask, with all sincerity, is capitalism required, according to the Constitution?
Most of the founding fathers were strong capitalists. In fact, the US broke off from England for purely capitalistic reasons. Representation and control of their own destiny were largely just talking points for the populace. It was a war about rich men who were tired of giving an offshore government that did nothing to support them a piece of the pie. In that regard, once could certainly argue that even if capitalism wasn't required, the signers of the Declaration of Independence certainly envisioned it as the economic system of choice.

 

Quote:That's a very good question, one that can be debated and discussed to great lengths.  My short answer is "yes and no".  A capitalist society is a free society.  Let me counter by asking you this.  Is socialism or communism required according to The Constitution?
No, not at all. A "free" society is all that's required, and I'd argue that our society is far from free. Communism is, by definition, not a free society, but socialism can be more free than whatever you want to call what we have now.

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#42

We have the right to own our own property and that includes the means of production so yes, capitalism is the default economic system of our republic.  

 

In reality, the Democrats aren't really talking about general socialism.  They are talking about it's ugly cousin Fascism.  In this system you have privately owned companies that are controlled by the government to accomplish social goals and profit is guaranteed by the state as a means of accomplishing said goals.


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#43

Quote:I ask, with all sincerity, is capitalism required, according to the Constitution?
 

I think Capitalism offers the best chance at a "free" society. TJBender probably explained it best, but I'd say that while it isn't required, I don't think you're going to find a system better fit to adhere to the rules set-forth through the Constitution. Do you disagree?

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#44

Quote:That's a very good question, one that can be debated and discussed to great lengths.  My short answer is "yes and no".  A capitalist society is a free society.  Let me counter by asking you this.  Is socialism or communism required according to The Constitution?
 

The real question is can the Constitution exist in a socialistic or communistic society?

“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#45

Quote:In reality, the Democrats aren't really talking about general socialism.  They are talking about it's ugly cousin Fascism.
Look, I know you tend to deal in absolutes and black and white "elephant good, donkey bad" decision-making, but to equate what even the farthest-left candidate in this election, Bernie Sanders, is trying to do to fascism is laughable. If anything, fascism is damn near the polar opposite of socialism. Go read a political science textbook (or Wikipedia, for that matter).

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#46

Quote:Look, I know you tend to deal in absolutes and black and white "elephant good, donkey bad" decision-making, but to equate what even the farthest-left candidate in this election, Bernie Sanders, is trying to do to fascism is laughable. If anything, fascism is damn near the polar opposite of socialism. Go read a political science textbook (or Wikipedia, for that matter).
 

Here's a nice article on the proto-fascism we're witnessing among the Moron Generation.

 

http://hlrecord.org/2015/11/fascism-at-yale/

“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#47

I gave detailed explinations of the charecteristics of each economic system.


Its not my fault modern leftism is based on 19th century german state theory. Its really not my fsult thst your side has been kept in the dark about it. Thats why none of u know what old age insurance really is.


And if you think that socialism is s gatway to freedom you moght want to try a history book.
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#48

Fascist, Marxist, Communist, Hitler, Mao. It's hard to keep up with what scary word of the day you guys are using to try and terrify people.
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#49

I'll say it again.  

 

In context of the means of production:  capitalism, private ownership.  socialism, STATE ownership, Communism, STATE ownership of ALL property, Fascism private ownership STATE control.  

 

If you have a problem with my characterization of a proposed set of economic policies then that's fine.  Just show me where i am wrong.  Accusing me of being alarmist when i have backed up my position by simple economic definitions is reduced to name calling because you don't like a perceived implication.  


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#50

Quote:Here's a nice article on the proto-fascism we're witnessing among the Moron Generation.

 

http://hlrecord.org/2015/11/fascism-at-yale/
I saw this on the news, and I find it disturbing with all these other morons at these universities. The people don't know what our constitution was made for.  Part of it was to prevent what the kids are trying to do.  They get so "offended" by everything, and if they don't agree with your views they want to force you to cease.  I don't know how we lost our way, and now the next generation is a bunch of radicals that want everything censored and paid for by everyone else.  Work hard in this country, and you will succeed.  

 

My first job was a bagger at Publix when I was 15 making 5.25 an hour. I didn't protest and strike for 15 dollars an hour.  I knew that wasn't a career position, and I had to work hard and go to college if I wanted a decent wage.  The American dream works.  This is life, you have to earn everything.  This image is real life, but kids now don't understand where the "free" stuff comes from.

 

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#51

Quote:I saw this on the news, and I find it disturbing with all these other morons at these universities. The people don't know what our constitution was made for. Part of it was to prevent what the kids are trying to do. They get so "offended" by everything, and if they don't agree with your views they want to force you to cease. I don't know how we lost our way, and now the next generation is a bunch of radicals that want everything censored and paid for by everyone else. Work hard in this country, and you will succeed.


My first job was a bagger at Publix when I was 15 making 5.25 an hour. I didn't protest and strike for 15 dollars an hour. I knew that wasn't a career position, and I had to work hard and go to college if I wanted a decent wage. The American dream works. This is life, you have to earn everything. This image is real life, but kids now don't understand where the "free" stuff comes from.

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It sure is real life, if real life is being disengenuous in how you present a thing to try to mislead people. Becuase that's what this is, a talking point that sounds scary to terrify the right wing base. Shocker that it works.


This implies 18 trillion additional wich is simply not true. Most of that spending is already being spent, the vast majority of that number is for healthcare. Funds that are already being spent by tax payers and out of pocket expenses.
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#52

Quote:It sure is real life, if real life is being disengenuous in how you present a thing to try to mislead people. Becuase that's what this is, a talking point that sounds scary to terrify the right wing base. Shocker that it works.


This implies 18 trillion additional wich is simply not true. Most of that spending is already being spent, the vast majority of that number is for healthcare. Funds that are already being spent by tax payers and out of pocket expenses.


How am I misleading? Where is this money going to come from? I'm sorry if you don't live in reality and you try to accuse me of such guile.


By the way, this is not already being spent. The nations deficit would double, and we'd be Greece. Your wants and beliefs do not trump straight forward facts.
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#53

What do you say to this boudrea?


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#54

Quote:What do you say to this boudrea?

https://mobile.twitter.com/SayHiJames/st...4551718912
This isn't Germany. Conscription is not and should never be a requirement for continuation of education, guarantee of citizenship or, well, anything. If a kid wants to go die in Afghaniraq, that's on them. It shouldn't be a requirement for post-secondary education funding.

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#55

Quote:This isn't Germany. Conscription is not and should never be a requirement for continuation of education, guarantee of citizenship or, well, anything. If a kid wants to go die in Afghaniraq, that's on them. It shouldn't be a requirement for post-secondary education funding.


The point of it all is he is earning his money, not getting g it for "free." Why don't you go protest some men and women in uniform, sounds like you hate what they do to give you your freedom.
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#56

Quote:The point of it all is he is earning his money, not getting g it for "free." Why don't you go protest some men and women in uniform, sounds like you hate what they do to give you your freedom.
Not in the slightest. I hate that our government is sending thousands of young men and women, many of them literally days out of high school, off to the other side of the world to die in a lost war.

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#57

There goes a little of my respect.
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#58

^And nothing of value was lost.


I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 
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#59

Quote:Not in the slightest. I hate that our government is sending thousands of young men and women, many of them literally days out of high school, off to the other side of the world to die in a lost war.
 

That's the liberal version of our armed forces.  Reality is these kids learn about life "real time".  Nothing is "given" to them and none of it is "free" as opposed to the self entitled brats that are protesting and demanding "free stuff".



There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.
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#60

Quote:That's the liberal version of our armed forces. Reality is these kids learn about life "real time". Nothing is "given" to them and none of it is "free" as opposed to the self entitled brats that are protesting and demanding "free stuff".


Two completely different issues. One can agree there is no free lunch and still disagree with our foreign policy. I assure you I won't be letting any of my three boys go die in the Middle East.
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