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Quote:"Tweener" Von Miller tears ACL December 2013. Has 14 sacks 2014. An ACL tear isn't the kiss of death.

Here's to hoping for that kind of turnaround

Quote:While it's not a " kiss of death", it's def not something to forget about.

Technology has become so advanced now that players are coming back faster than ever from ACL injuries. In the 90's it was a 1+ year recovery and a quick prayer hoping he doesn't end up with a limp, let alone continue to play at a high level. Nowadays players are coming back within 6-9 months and the injured knee is stronger than ever. Fowler will have 15 months of recovery time from the start of next season. He'll be ok.

Quote:I love how people always equate A with B. If A did it, than surely B through Z will too...

Mind pointing out where I said that?

Quote:Technology has become so advanced now that players are coming back faster than ever from ACL injuries. In the 90's it was a 1+ year recovery and a quick prayer hoping he doesn't end up with a limp, let alone continue to play at a high level. Nowadays players are coming back within 6-9 months and the injured knee is stronger than ever. Fowler will have 15 months of recovery time from the start of next season. He'll be ok.

I agree, in the fact that ACL injuries aren't what they used to be, but they aren't something to take lightly.


For every Von Miller, there's a Melvin Ingram. Knee issues are always detrimental, regardless of today's technology.

Quote:Here's to hoping for that kind of turnaround

 

Your hoping has not done much good today.  :whistling:

Quote:I agree, in the fact that ACL injuries aren't what they used to be, but they aren't something to take lightly.


For every Von Miller, there's a Melvin Ingram. Knee issues are always detrimental, regardless of today's technology.

I'm willing to bet that you are more likely to come back successfully from an ACL vs not. The injury itself isn't devastating, its the mental aspect of trusting the knee again that takes the longest.


If it was going to happen then it couldn't have happened at a better time. Being this early in offseason workouts he'll get a full year to recover and another 3 months to help regain that trust in his knee again.

What are the odds.  Been playing college ball for a few years no problems.  First ever nfl practice and blows his knee.  Wow #because Jaguars

Quote:I'm willing to bet that you are more likely to come back successfully from an ACL vs not. The injury itself isn't devastating, its the mental aspect of trusting the knee again that takes the longest.

Thats hardly the point.

Quote:Thats hardly the point.

What's your point? He could end up like Melvin Ingram?

Quote:What's your point? He could end up like Melvin Ingram?

Uh yea.


If a player's game is drastically effected from his knee still being a dud, versus him playing scared, what difference does it make?


I hope he recovers fully because he is a human being, but football wise, what's the difference?

Quote:Uh yea.


If a player's game is drastically effected from his knee still being a dud, versus him playing scared, what difference does it make?


I hope he recovers fully because he is a human being, but football wise, what's the difference?

My point was that he is more likely to have a successful career vs not. For every horror story there are 2 success stories to go with it. Maybe Melvin wasn't all that good to begin with. Could that have been a possibility?

Quote:My point was that he is more likely to have a successful career vs not. For every horror story there are 2 success stories to go with it. Maybe Melvin wasn't all that good to begin with. Could that have been a possibility?

I agree. I already told you that I agree on how well athletes have been bouncing back from ACL injuries, but it's still a HUGE injury. Still one of the career defining injuries you can have as an NFL player.


If Dante Fowler never produces after this, does that mean he wasn't that good? Since Melvin Ingram never produced after his, is that not a possibility?

Quote:What are the odds.  Been playing college ball for a few years no problems.  First ever nfl practice and blows his knee.  Wow #because Jaguars

 

Pretty high for Jaguar standards.

Quote:I agree. I already told you that I agree on how well athletes have been bouncing back from ACL injuries, but it's still a HUGE injury. Still one of the career defining injuries you can have as an NFL player.


If Dante Fowler never produces after this, does that mean he wasn't that good? Since Melvin Ingram never produced after his, is that not a possibility?

I never said it wasn't a huge injury. I only mentioned that he has a very good chance of returning to where he was pre injury. I'm not sure what we're arguing at this point.


Melvin played his rookie year and was underwhelming. But he did have his best year last year a full year removed from his injury. We didn't get a chance to see Fowler play as a rookie so if he bombs we'll never know if he just wasn't any good or if his ACL injury set him back. That question will never be answered.

I think Fowler will end up being Ki Jana Carter 2.0. Should've drafted Williams.

Quote:I think Fowler will end up being Ki Jana Carter 2.0. Should've drafted Williams.

 

 I really don't get this mentality. As if Williams could not have had the same injury.

Quote:I think Fowler will end up being Ki Jana Carter 2.0. Should've drafted Williams.

Maybe cooper

Quote:I really don't get this mentality. As if Williams could not have had the same injury.

I'm not saying they should've drafted Williams because Fowler got hurt. I'm saying Williams was considered by many the best player in the draft and therefore should've drafted him. I was never on board with Fowler.

Someone probably said this Already, but next year, when we should really be ready to start contending and will spend a good amount of money in FA AGAIN, we'll also go into the season with 2 new first round picks.

Quote:But how do you know Fowler would not have been the difference between 3-7 wins?

 

What if Fowler, but for the injury, would have been the instant impact guy we've been looking for?

 

What if he provided double digit sacks and forced a few game changing fumbles?

 

Now we'll never know.

Were you expecting double digit sacks in the other thread about expectations for him just a few days earlier? Hell no you weren't as others were trying to temper high hopes of him doing anything spectacular. Now all of a sudden he's out he had a possibility of being an animal year one. He was the wrong pick anyway. I'll take a questionable so they say shoulder on Leonard than a healthy Fowler need pick any say.