Guess which 6'4 260 pound DL prospect posted these freakish combine stats:
40 YARD DASH: 4.67 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 37 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 35.5 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 125.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 7.12 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.40 SEC
His rise and popularity IMO, are indicative of a weak draft (at the top) this year.
The "drop" of Williams backs that as well. As does the lack of trades early in the first.
For the most part, folks stayed put and selected whoever fell.
Rams had Gurley (even with injury) rated so high above everyone else they said they put his name on the ceiling of the draft room.
IMO the draft is getting over-analyzed. Teams take a look at their slot, look at their needs, and fill need with who they think will be available. I don't think some teams have a board in the traditional sense, where there's an order from first to last. I think most just group dozens of guys together into round grades, and have maybe half a dozen preferences for likely selections, and maybe one or two (of any) "have to get" guys above them if they like them enough.
Quote:Guess which 6'4 260 pound DL prospect posted these freakish combine stats:
Trick question because those aren't at all freakish numbers?
Quote:I think people are overrating his across the board mediocrity (aka versatility) on cutups as "oh well when he gets proper coaching" or "oh when he gets to focus on just one thing" or "but he's only 20!". I don't think it's that easy to project him, because he is so on the razor's edge athletically. I like his aggression, motor, size, etc...
However, I worry that the main way he won in college, inside counter moves, won't work in the NFL against OTs that won't overset so often. I think Fowler won predominately by being schemed into pressure with his inside blitzes, or taking advantage of poor college OT technique. It's easy to see how Beasley's skill set is going to translate to the NFL game. I don't think it is that easy to see with Fowler.
All of that said, I wouldn't characterize myself as being "So anti-Fowler" as that child Achilles said. All I ever said is that there were a handful of guys that would have been better picks. Fowler belonged in the middle third of the 1st round. If 10 picks lower than he went = "So anti-Fowler" then whatever.
This is ky's post from the "nightmare scenario" thread.
Quote:Hah, ok...
1. Fowler
2. Yeldon
3. Greene
Certainly would seem anti-fowler to me if that's part of a nightmare scenario.
And in his grades he gave a c+ to the fowler pick and a b- to the yeldon pick.
So his nightmare scenario came true and they grade out to either a b- or c+ average depending on if you round up or down.
I guess that's a nightmare we can all live with.
Quote:Trick question because those aren't at all freakish numbers?
Are you dumb or just trollin at this point?
Quote:Are you dumb or just trollin at this point?
The bench is really good, the rest is above average certainly not freak...
Quote:KY I really respect your opinion here but I gotta ask, what do you see or fail to see that causes your opinion to differ so drastically from the professionals?
Probably the fact that what "We/message board gms" get to see…ala cut-ups and youtube is about 2% of what the "professionals" get to see.
You, too can TwitterScout<sup>TM</sup> if you join Dan Hatman's Scout Academy. It's not Amway or University of Phoenix, but I see reflections of both in it.
Quote:You, too can TwitterScout<sup>TM</sup> if you join Dan Hatman's Scout Academy. It's not Amway or University of Phoenix, but I see reflections of both in it.
And you too can keep beating dead horses while the rest of us are improving.
Quote:Probably the fact that what "We/message board gms" get to see…ala cut-ups and youtube is about 2% of what the "professionals" get to see.
They don't even watch that. They just parrot what they read on Twitter.
Quote:Guess which 6'4 260 pound DL prospect posted these freakish combine stats:
40 YARD DASH: 4.67 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 37 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 35.5 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 125.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 7.12 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.40 SEC
Just look at this insane spider chart.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/1271/'>http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/1271/</a>
Marcell Dareus had worse combine numbers than Fowler and he turned out ok. lol. Why? Because he had a crazy size/speed combination.
KY always wants to go against the grain. But then wanted us to draft Geno Smith
Quote:Marcell Dareus had worse combine numbers than Fowler and he turned out ok. lol. Why? Because he had a crazy size/speed combination.
Different body types?
Guess which prospect posted these average at best combine numbers:
Height: 6' 6"
Weight: 265
40 Yard Dash: 4.72
10 Yard Dash: 1.68
Bench Press: 13
Vertical Jump: 33"
Broad Jump: 120"
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.34
Three Cone: 7.11
Quote:Guess which prospect posted these average at best combine numbers:
Height: 6' 6"
Weight: 265
40 Yard Dash: 4.72
10 Yard Dash: 1.68
Bench Press: 13
Vertical Jump: 33"
Broad Jump: 120"
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.34
Three Cone: 7.11
Hmmm, I'll guess Aldon Smith.
Quote:Guess which prospect posted these average at best combine numbers:
Height: 6' 6"
Weight: 265
40 Yard Dash: 4.72
10 Yard Dash: 1.68
Bench Press: 13
Vertical Jump: 33"
Broad Jump: 120"
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.34
Three Cone: 7.11
Jared allen
Awful numbers. Terrific player.
Quote:Jared allen
Awful numbers. Terrific player.
If we're gonna be fair, those awful numbers in certain cases are better than fowlers.
Doesn't matter. I think fowler can be good
Quote:I already posted this before, but dude, JJ Watt is absolutely the biggest and fastest. He is 5 (!!!) standard deviations from the average DL athlete. 99.999999%tile. The next JJ Watt athlete should statistically come around in about 300 years. He is every superlative adjective available.
I think you missed the point of my post. JJ Watt was not that when he was a walk on in college. He worked to get to were he is. That guy has a motor that doesn't stop and desire that won't fade. Those are traits that you can't measure. That is why he is who he is. Some people have the ability (Moss) then some people have the ethic (Watt).