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Thanks. Was force fed some Humble Pie and got 30 Days in the Hole. Thought it was B..oops....that's the one that got me cuffed n stuffed. Lol

Quote:Thanks. Was force fed some Humble Pie and got 30 Days in the Hole. Thought it was B..oops....that's the one that got me cuffed n stuffed. Lol

Toe that line, it's not the same without you brother. 

Quote:She's a slick business broad. Went from a journalist to a $200K a year job running her non profit foundation. Has no academic credentials to be an expert on Islam or Jihad, but by putting out her opinions, makes a nice pay day.


I'm assuming there are laws regarding inciting violence, if the shoe doesn't fit here, then this Cinderella will keep on rockin

 

 My opinion of Pamela Geller changed greatly in recent years.  While she brings out some good points and she should be able to speak w/o groups caving in,  the following is one reason why I have problems taking her seriously.   People can say what they want about the ' birther movement' .  That's a discussion for another day.  But Geller lost much of her credibility with me when she didn't let Orly Taitz speak at CPAC in 2013.   A real Conservative leader would never do this.  I take Debbie Schlussel seriously.   I don't take Pamela Geller seriously:

 

Pam Geller shouts down Orly Taitz

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awY26-jX4hM

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You're de-escalating.  What about if you go up to a black person and call them the N word, and they shoot you?  Are you 'asking for it'?

If you know that's how they'll respond, then yeah. I think that's the point the OP is trying to make. Recent history shows how these folks will respond when provoked in this manner so why the hell would you recreate the scenario? That's irresponsible and stupid.


Just because you can do something in the name of freedom doesn't mean you leave commonsense at the door. And if you do be prepared for the consequence of your action.

Quote:If you know that's how they'll respond, then yeah. I think that's the point the OP is trying to make. Recent history shows how these folks will respond when provoked in this manner so why the hell would you recreate the scenario? That's irresponsible and stupid.


Just because you can do something in the name of freedom doesn't mean you leave commonsense at the door. And if you do be prepared for the consequence of your action.

It certainly was not wise, It also seems to be intentional proactive. Not a great idea but obviously within their rights. 

Quote:It certainly was not wise, It also seems to be intentional proactive. Not a great idea but obviously within their rights. 

Simplest way to put all this. Completely correct.

You know I was thinking about this thread yesterday (maybe a sign I spend to much time on this board) but the premise of this thread really bothers me, the blame should be shared by the event organizers for irresponsibly using their free speech to offend Muslims. But where was the outcry of irresponsibility when the cross was covered in human feces and called art, or when the cross with Jesus on it was soaked in urine.

 

There's countless expressions of art where Christianity is outright insulted, yet you don't see militant Christians shooting up these events. And if they ever did I doubt we'd see the same people calling for sensible use of free speech you can't expect Christians to take that kind of insult lying down!

Quote:You know I was thinking about this thread yesterday (maybe a sign I spend to much time on this board) but the premise of this thread really bothers me, the blame should be shared by the event organizers for irresponsibly using their free speech to offend Muslims. But where was the outcry of irresponsibility when the cross was covered in human feces and called art, or when the cross with Jesus on it was soaked in urine.

 

There's countless expressions of art where Christianity is outright insulted, yet you don't see militant Christians shooting up these events. And if they ever did I doubt we'd see the same people calling for sensible use of free speech you can't expect Christians to take that kind of insult lying down!

The outcry when it comes to Christians is far less. Always has been. The double standard is ridiculous.

 

I will say this though, these radical Muslims aren't practicing the Muslim faith. They are using it as a means to cause terror.

Quote:The outcry when it comes to Christians is far less. Always has been. The double standard is ridiculous.

 

I will say this though, these radical Muslims aren't practicing the Muslim faith. They are using it as a means to cause terror.

 

Sure my point was just that there's only a call for "responsible" use of free speech when it leads to violence which in essence is the purpose of terrorism.

Quote:You know I was thinking about this thread yesterday (maybe a sign I spend to much time on this board) but the premise of this thread really bothers me, the blame should be shared by the event organizers for irresponsibly using their free speech to offend Muslims. But where was the outcry of irresponsibility when the cross was covered in human feces and called art, or when the cross with Jesus on it was soaked in urine.

 

There's countless expressions of art where Christianity is outright insulted, yet you don't see militant Christians shooting up these events. And if they ever did I doubt we'd see the same people calling for sensible use of free speech you can't expect Christians to take that kind of insult lying down!

The outcry of irresponsibility wasn't there because there was no recent history of Christians killing people over artwork they found offense.  Which exhibits the problem with placing the blame on the people holding the contest.  It tells people that if you want to stop something, all you have to do is kill a few people.  It says "If you commit violence, we'll listen" which is the wrong message to send.  


The fact is the contest in this situation had appropriate security (judging by the fact that the two shooters lost their lives in an act I think of as Darwinism in action).  Were they deliberately provoking radical muslims? Maybe.  But you'll find that most groups when provoked, don't go kill people.  I think it's a reasonable expectation not to be killed for provoking people by doing something they don't agree with.  


 

Being offended is a choice as well. One chooses to be offended by whatever they allow them to be offended by.

So, it we bow to Muslims with this, do we not also not allow women to drive or vote? How about arranged marriages? Honor Killings? Gay Marriage? (I know that's a hot topic anyway). Do we throw Gays off of roof tops? Stone people to death? Just how far are you willing to go to appease these idiots?

Quote:So, it we bow to Muslims with this, do we not also not allow women to drive or vote? How about arranged marriages? Honor Killings? Gay Marriage? (I know that's a hot topic anyway). Do we throw Gays off of roof tops? Stone people to death? Just how far are you willing to go to appease these idiots?

 

Who is appeasing? Contrary to the propaganda fear campaign, none of the things you mentioned are going to happen here. What happened in Texas was akin to bratty kids deliberately doing something they were advised against, just because they have a right to do it. Unless, of course, they just like drawing pictures of Mohammed. We all know what a popular past time that has been, for generations.

 

There is nothing wrong with common sense. The security guard that was injured in the shooting was unarmed. Given the threat that was so dire our way of life was supposedly in danger, how smart was that? What if an innocent bystander had been killed. Would it be any solace to their family knowing who was at fault?

Quote:Who is appeasing? Contrary to the propaganda fear campaign, none of the things you mentioned are going to happen here. What happened in Texas was akin to bratty kids deliberately doing something they were advised against, just because they have a right to do it. Unless, of course, they just like drawing pictures of Mohammed. We all know what a popular past time that has been, for generations.

 

There is nothing wrong with common sense. The security guard that was injured in the shooting was unarmed. Given the threat that was so dire our way of life was supposedly in danger, how smart was that? What if an innocent bystander had been killed. Would it be any solace to their family knowing who was at fault?

 

Your point is right on. Is it being too cynical to think the organizers were hoping for something like this? Sure put 'em on the map didn't it.

 

And what would have been their response had a few law enforcement personnel or bystanders been killed? Collateral damage in the war on free speech?

 

And the lawsuits that would have followed ...

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If someone thinks a career actor from California and the Northwest represents some sort of independent and patriotic spirit peculiar to Texans because he speaks in a deep drawl and wears a Stetson, they must be a special kind of stupid.

SO mods can direct personal attacks with impunity....... Huh........

Quote:Who is appeasing? Contrary to the propaganda fear campaign, none of the things you mentioned are going to happen here. What happened in Texas was akin to bratty kids deliberately doing something they were advised against, just because they have a right to do it. Unless, of course, they just like drawing pictures of Mohammed. We all know what a popular past time that has been, for generations.

 

There is nothing wrong with common sense. The security guard that was injured in the shooting was unarmed. Given the threat that was so dire our way of life was supposedly in danger, how smart was that? What if an innocent bystander had been killed. Would it be any solace to their family knowing who was at fault?

 

This is what I'm talking about, RJ you seem to be shifting blame on the party that was assaulted, this is because they party they insulted acts out with violence? Why is the victim the one you are criticizing, are we not tolerant to other people that create offensive material every day. Why is this groups "offensive" material unacceptable and akin to bratty kids acting out? Is it bratty kids acting out when Christianity is mocked? Or how about when John Stewart mock political foes? Is all mockery bratty kids or just when Muhammad is mocked? Why is Muhammad different?

ISIS threatened Pamela Geller.   While like I mentioned the other day I have issues with Geller,  I strongly believe that she should be able to speak.  W/o the safety of those who want to invite Geller to speak being threatened as well:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...-1.2211913

Quote:ISIS threatened Pamela Geller.   While like I mentioned the other day I have issues with Geller,  I strongly believe that she should be able to speak.  W/o the safety of those who want to invite Geller to speak being threatened as well:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...-1.2211913

 

They also claimed the other day to have 77 trained fighters in 15 states, a little concerning.