Quote:Creationism has no evidence backing it.
I'm never surprised at how much conservatives hate public education. If they want to send their kids to private schools--they can. Just don't expect to get government money for it. I'm not sure why they're okay with this. Government money going everywhere else. Pick yourself up by your bootstraps and save up money to have your kids attend private schools. Don't expect taxpayers to fund it.
You don't realize how hypocritical that statement is (the second one).
I'll address your first statement though, there certainly is physical evidence that backs historical texts including the Christian bible along with other ancient texts. There is also physical evidence that corroborates with what the texts say. I don't want this to turn into a religious discussion, but much of what we know regarding math as well as other sciences such as astronomy and philosophy comes from the ancient texts.
Regarding your second statement. It's not just conservatives that hate the current public
education indoctrination system. There are many from all walks of life across the political spectrum that think that the public school system is failing our children. The thing is, it's not the federal government's job to provide money to schools to begin with. If they are going to provide money to schools, then they should provide it to ALL schools. If that means that it's a voucher to parents to help pay for a private school, so be it. It doesn't matter if the private school is a "religious school" or not, it gives parents (ultimately citizens) a choice in how they want their children educated.
Answer this. Why should the federal government throw tax payer dollars into public schools vs. a voucher for tax payers to use towards private schools if that's their choice? The same could be said at the state level of government or even local governments.
Quote:You don't realize how hypocritical that statement is (the second one).
I'll address your first statement though, there certainly is physical evidence that backs historical texts including the Christian bible along with other ancient texts. There is also physical evidence that corroborates with what the texts say. I don't want this to turn into a religious discussion, but much of what we know regarding math as well as other sciences such as astronomy and philosophy comes from the ancient texts.
Regarding your second statement. It's not just conservatives that hate the current public education indoctrination system. There are many from all walks of life across the political spectrum that think that the public school system is failing our children. The thing is, it's not the federal government's job to provide money to schools to begin with. If they are going to provide money to schools, then they should provide it to ALL schools. If that means that it's a voucher to parents to help pay for a private school, so be it. It doesn't matter if the private school is a "religious school" or not, it gives parents (ultimately citizens) a choice in how they want their children educated.
Answer this. Why should the federal government throw tax payer dollars into public schools vs. a voucher for tax payers to use towards private schools if that's their choice? The same could be said at the state level of government or even local governments.
There's no evidence backing the historical texts, though. I mean if there were, then that'd be pretty big. But there isn't. I mean at least not as far as creationism goes.
Why should the federal government put tax payer dollars into public schools and not a voucher? Because public schools will have to conform to standards set by the government. While Private schools won't and shouldn't. Private schools can turn students down for any reason--and they should be allowed to (so long as they receive no tax dollars). Public schools can't, and shouldn't. In fact public schools must accept all students, and have by far the strictest requirements for expulsion.
Simply put though: Public Schools are Public. Private schools are Private. I don't think the government should fund any private institutions. Be they school, health insurance (which is why I'm personally against the ACA, and prefer a single-payer system), or anything else.
If you open up the private schools to government funding, you also open them up to government intervention. I'm sure that you would be against that given how much you detest the public education system.
Quote:I choose not to use the military.
I choose not to use many roads.
I've never had to call the police.
Where's my refund?
Regarding the part in bold. While your liberal whining retort is amusing, answer this. If you were alive on December 7, 1941 would you feel the same way?
Please tell me where in The Constitution it says that the federal government is responsible for education. I personally have read it and I don't recall that portion. Perhaps you can point it out to me.
Quote:There's no evidence backing the historical texts, though. I mean if there were, then that'd be pretty big. But there isn't. I mean at least not as far as creationism goes.
Why should the federal government put tax payer dollars into public schools and not a voucher? Because public schools will have to conform to standards set by the government. While Private schools won't and shouldn't. Private schools can turn students down for any reason--and they should be allowed to (so long as they receive no tax dollars). Public schools can't, and shouldn't. In fact public schools must accept all students, and have by far the strictest requirements for expulsion.
Simply put though: Public Schools are Public. Private schools are Private. I don't think the government should fund any private institutions. Be they school, health insurance (which is why I'm personally against the ACA, and prefer a single-payer system), or anything else.
If you open up the private schools to government funding, you also open them up to government intervention. I'm sure that you would be against that given how much you detest the public education system.
The part in bold is the problem. Where is it said in The Constitution that government is responsible for education? Who decides the "standards set by the government"?
The fact of the matter is, the federal government has no business being involved in education to begin with. My federal tax dollars should not go towards the funding of teacher's unions and the indoctrination of students.
Quote:Regarding the part in bold. While your liberal whining retort is amusing, answer this. If you were alive on December 7, 1941 would you feel the same way?
Please tell me where in The Constitution it says that the federal government is responsible for education. I personally have read it and I don't recall that portion. Perhaps you can point it out to me.
Where does it say everyday citizens should have guns? Or we just going to ignore the militia part?
Quote:Where does it say everyday citizens should have guns? Or we just going to ignore the militia part?
Careful, you're showing your ignorance again.
Quote:Careful, you're showing your ignorance again.
Are you part of a well regulated militia?
He's very well regulated by Fox news. Spouting all the slogans
Quote:He's very well regulated by Fox news. Spouting all the slogans
You notice how Pirkster's first response to anything is to say how ignorant someone is, yet he never actually engages in the debate? He won't debate you in topics like Climate Change, or the merits of teaching Creationism in a science class because he doesn't really know anything.
Quote:You notice how Pirkster's first response to anything is to say how ignorant someone is, yet he never actually engages in the debate? He won't debate you in topics like Climate Change, or the merits of teaching Creationism in a science class because he doesn't really know anything.
Whenever you lose debate, your head goes back in. Deny, deny, deny is all you bring. You've been owned on every single on of those subjects.
But that's when you tuck and run, because to actually listen to arguments that defeat yours would crush your imaginary, logically flawed world view.
Quote:Creationism has no evidence backing it.
I'm never surprised at how much conservatives hate public education. If they want to send their kids to private schools--they can. Just don't expect to get government money for it. I'm not sure why they're okay with this. Government money going everywhere else. Pick yourself up by your bootstraps and save up money to have your kids attend private schools. Don't expect taxpayers to fund it.
Devils advocate here. If they do send their children to a private school shouldn't they be exempt from paying the portion of their tax that goes to funding public education?
Quote:Where does it say everyday citizens should have guns? Or we just going to ignore the militia part?
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The first part is about a "well regulated militia". So what is a "militia"? How is it formed?
Liberals like you are so much like communists, socialists and fascists of the past. Take power away from the people because government knows all. Take power away from the people and you fall into the hole of communism/socialism/fascism.
Our system of government never was intended for the government to control the people, it was intended for the people to control the government.
Quote: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The first part is about a "well regulated militia". So what is a "militia"? How is it formed?
Liberals like you are so much like communists, socialists and fascists of the past. Take power away from the people because government knows all. Take power away from the people and you fall into the hole of communism/socialism/fascism.
Our system of government never was intended for the government to control the people, it was intended for the people to control the government.
"a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency."
So you are part of the National Guard?
Quote:Devils advocate here. If they do send their children to a private school shouldn't they be exempt from paying the portion of their tax that goes to funding public education?
No. A portion of your taxes go toward public education even if you don't have kids. Just like it goes toward roads if you don't use them, and so on.
Quote:No. A portion of your taxes go toward public education even if you don't have kids. Just like it goes toward roads if you don't use them, and so on.
That's too complicated for him, break it down.
Quote:That's too complicated for him, break it down.
Eh, I think Copycat is a pretty reasonable guy.
Quote:Eh, I think Copycat is a pretty reasonable guy.
Actually I thought that was Porkster. Copycat is reasonable. Sorry Copy.
Quote:No. A portion of your taxes go toward public education even if you don't have kids. Just like it goes toward roads if you don't use them, and so on.
State taxes and local taxes more than anything. There shouldn't be one dime of federal taxes going towards education. The federal government needs to get out of education.
Quote:Actually I thought that was Porkster. Copycat is reasonable. Sorry Copy.
Whew! Good thing I scrolled down I was triggered for moment. :teehee:
Quote:"a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency."
So you are part of the National Guard?
The NG is not the militia.