In recent weeks this name has become more and more prominent on the FA wish list. I get it, we were near the bottom of the league in passing and people want help. That's where my understanding dissipates.
1.) Cobb is more naturally suited as a Slot/Flanker. You don't pay a slot/Flanker 9-10 million per year. If He's the best receiver on the market it will be because the other teams in the league re-signed their split end receivers.
2.) We just invested the 40th pick overall in Marqise Lee who started to develop at the end of last year and should have a similar if not superior skill set to Randall Cobb.
3.) Of his four seasons in the league, he only has one 1000 yard receiving year with a dominant Qb.
I can understand the interest and wouldn't flip out if he was signed, but I don't see this team being desperate to overpay a receiver.
Quote:In recent weeks this name has become more and more prominent on the FA wish list. I get it, we were near the bottom of the league in passing and people want help. That's where my understanding dissipates.
1.) Cobb is more naturally suited as a Slot/Flanker. You don't pay a slot/Flanker 9-10 million per year. If He's the best receiver on the market it will be because the other teams in the league re-signed their split end receivers.
2.) We just invested the 40th pick overall in Marqise Lee who started to develop at the end of last year and should have a similar if not superior skill set to Randall Cobb.
3.) Of his four seasons in the league, he only has one 1000 yard receiving year with a dominant Qb.
I can understand the interest and wouldn't flip out if he was signed, but I don't see this team being desperate to overpay a receiver.
Yea, I have been skeptical of a Cobb signing due to his size as well. He is a really good player and I wouldn't mind picking him up, but I agree that it might be better to invest elsewhere
I think they will sign a receiver but I don't think it will be someone that costs as much as Cobb will cost. I could see them adding a veteran like Eddie Royal or Nate Washington. Someone to complement the young trio but not take away playing time from them.
Randall Cobb is well worth the money.
Bryant and Thomas won't make it into free agency. I think the 3 next best WRs are, in no particular order, Randall Cobb, Jeremy Maclin, and Torrey Smith. Although I wouldn't mind Cobb, I believe Maclin and Smith would be better fits. Maclin and Smith have 4.4 speed and better height/weight to play on the outside.
Quote:In recent weeks this name has become more and more prominent on the FA wish list. I get it, we were near the bottom of the league in passing and people want help. That's where my understanding dissipates.
1.) Cobb is more naturally suited as a Slot/Flanker. You don't pay a slot/Flanker 9-10 million per year. If He's the best receiver on the market it will be because the other teams in the league re-signed their split end receivers.
2.) We just invested the 40th pick overall in Marqise Lee who started to develop at the end of last year and should have a similar if not superior skill set to Randall Cobb.
3.) Of his four seasons in the league, he only has one 1000 yard receiving year with a dominant Qb.
I can understand the interest and wouldn't flip out if he was signed, but I don't see this team being desperate to overpay a receiver.
All I see here is someone not knowing what he is talking about and hating on a great player who could help us.
We had the #39 pick last year, not #40. Marqise Lee would benefit from a year behind Cobb before he becomes a full-time starter. Nine million dollars a year is not too much for us. Cobb can also return punts. Playing with an elite QB is completely irrelevant. The only reason
not to want Cobb is the fact that he would prefer to stay in Green Bay.
You lost credibility when you said that playing with an elite QB is irrelevant. I'm of the opinion Cobb is a good player who looks great because of the elite QB he is with. I certainly don't think he is worth 10-12 million dollars. On top of that, I'd rather spend money at RT, C, and TE. Finally, putting a 10-12 million dollar guy back there to return punts is utterly absurd.
Quote:You lost credibility when you said that playing with an elite QB is irrelevant. I'm of the opinion Cobb is a good player who looks great because of the elite QB he is with. I certainly don't think he is worth 10-12 million dollars. On top of that, I'd rather spend money at RT, C, and TE. Finally, putting a 10-12 million dollar guy back there to return punts is utterly absurd.
So when Deion Sanders was returning punts you found that absurd?
Quote:So when Deion Sanders was returning punts you found that absurd?
It's definitely not absurd, being that Deion Sanders was able to instantly change the complexion of a game often when returning punts. The Steelers have a similar strategy with Antonio Brown,
Having said all of this, I'm more comfortable with the school of thought of using a top flight player on returns only when a game or season is on the line.
The ideal situation is to have a younger version of Devin Hester, who can handle the returns at a very high level. Someone who isn't vital to the Offense or Defense. Of course finding such a player is easier said than done.
MissJagsF....wow. I don't see the OP hating on Cobb or not knowing what he is talking about; he is just presenting his position and opinion. He even goes on to state that he understands the interest in Cobb and would not flip out if he was signed. You need to take a breath and review your cutting reply before hitting post.
You state that playing with an elite QB is completely irrelevant. You are completely wrong, as playing with an elite QB is absolutely relevant, and should be taken into consideration when evaluating the prospect objectively. Lastly, most free agents express a desire or preference to stay in their existing locales or teams; however, it usually comes down to money with most free agents switching their preference quickly when more dollars are involved. I would not rule out a player when they initially express a preference to stay on their current team.
The majority of Cobb's snaps are in the slot, and he excelled there. His skill set and size are best suited there. If the Jags were to sign him, I would imagine Lee would be placed in one of the other WR slots. I believe the Jags would want to further develop Lee on the field given his resume, draft investment, speed, developing skills, and high ceiling. Having him ride the pine as a reserve slot receiver in year 2 would slow his growth, and does not make sense to me. Ideally, in my mind, if the Jags are determined to sign a WR, I would hope the WR would have better skillsets or experience on the outside.
Quote:It's definitely not absurd, being that Deion Sanders was able to instantly change the complexion of a game often when returning punts. The Steelers have a similar strategy with Antonio Brown,
Having said all of this, I'm more comfortable with the school of thought of using a top flight player on returns only when a game or season is on the line.
The ideal situation is to have a younger version of Devin Hester, who can handle the returns at a very high level. Someone who isn't vital to the Offense or Defense. Of course finding such a player is easier said than done.
Especially considering the fact that Deion Sanders, being a shutdown corner, was more valuable to his team than Cobb will be as a WR. If the guy has a knack for it, you put him back there. The team is paying him to fill roles they think will help them win, they shouldn't worry about him getting hurt returning punts since he can just as easily get hurt in practice. A good utility man like Cobb is a valuable commodity for any team who has championship aspirations. You're right though about finding a younger, cheaper guy for that job but those guys are hard to find.
Quote:Especially considering the fact that Deion Sanders, being a shutdown corner, was more valuable to his team than Cobb will be as a WR. If the guy has a knack for it, you put him back there. The team is paying him to fill roles they think will help them win, they shouldn't worry about him getting hurt returning punts since he can just as easily get hurt in practice. A good utility man like Cobb is a valuable commodity for any team who has championship aspirations. You're right though about finding a younger, cheaper guy for that job but those guys are hard to find.
There's no question that there's injury risk in practice. My conservative nature though goes beyond politics. However, if a team has quality depth at a position of a high caliber Offensive or Defensive player, I probably would be more comfortable with the high caliber player being used more often on Punt Returns. Very likely not as often as you or Mike Tomlin for example would be. This is a good example of a situation in which there's legitimate sides to which approach is better.
Quote: There's no question that there's injury risk in practice. My conservative nature though goes beyond politics. However, if a team has quality depth at a position of a high caliber Offensive or Defensive player, I probably would be more comfortable with the high caliber player being used more often on Punt Returns. Very likely not as often as you or Mike Tomlin for example would be. This is a good example of a situation in which there's legitimate sides to which approach is better.
There's nothing wrong using a conservative approach concerning a teams blue chip talent. But I'm just from the school of thought that if a guy is good at something and the team is needing his skills, you use him. I've always appreciated an aggressive approach that successful coaches use when it comes to scheme and personnel. Winning in the NFL is sometimes all about who will take the biggest risks to succeed.
Quote:There's nothing wrong using a conservative approach concerning a teams blue chip talent. But I'm just from the school of thought that if a guy is good at something and the team is needing his skills, you use him. I've always appreciated an aggressive approach that successful coaches use when it comes to scheme and personnel. Winning in the NFL is sometimes all about who will take the biggest risks to succeed.
What you mentioned makes a great deal of sense. I definitely believe there are times when an aggressive approach is needed. Yet, at least from my point of view, there are times when winning is about not taking big risks. I'm the type of fan that often would rather see more time run off the clock than taking a higher risk in order to increase the chances of getting a first down. So much depends on the situation and personnel of the two teams.
Quote:What you mentioned makes a great deal of sense. I definitely believe there are times when an aggressive approach is needed. Yet, at least from my point of view, there are times when winning is about not taking big risks. I'm the type of fan that often would rather see more time run off the clock than taking a higher risk in order to increase the chances of getting a first down. So much depends on the situation and personnel of the two teams.
Not doubt about that my friend. There's a big difference between being aggressive to win a game and outsmarting yourself. Look no further than Pete Carroll's goal line call in the Super Bowl.....
Quote:Not doubt about that my friend. There's a big difference between being aggressive to win a game and outsmarting yourself. Look no further than Pete Carroll's goal line call in the Super Bowl.....
Great illustration!
Finding the optimal solution when it comes to risk/ reward is quite challenging. But it's something every team needs to strive for regarding personnel decisions and coaching strategy.
Thank you for proving my point by giving the historical exception. Teams don't put their stars at unnecessary risk at dime a dozen positions. They may get spot duty in key situations or due to injury. Paying Cobb 10-12 million and putting him back for punts is moronic. For proof look at the leaders in punt and kick return stats. Notice what is missing. Stars. Frankly, not putting your high paid stars in those situations and exposing them is coaching 101. That is the general rule. History doesn't lie.
Quote:Thank you for proving my point by giving the historical exception. Teams don't put their stars at unnecessary risk at dime a dozen positions. They may get spot duty in key situations or due to injury. Paying Cobb 10-12 million and putting him back for punts is moronic. For proof look at the leaders in punt and kick return stats. Notice what is missing. Stars. Frankly, not putting your high paid stars in those situations and exposing them is coaching 101. That is the general rule. History doesn't lie.
Deion Sanders a hall of famer and maybe the best to ever play at his position. He returned punts and kicks. If a player is dangerous enough he will see the field.
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I'll take it.