I have high confidence in Bortles improving next season. The coaching around him, on paper, looks a lot better. The players should be better and I expect a few adds in FA to help out as well. The young guys last year will have a year of experience under their belt and an offseason of development. There's talent there and another offseason should help if we have the right coaches in place.
Greg Olson >>> Jedd Fisch in my humble opinion and we'll see that play out this year. Blake is better off with just the coaching changes let alone all the other improvement around him.
Quote:It's a tough situation.
Year One - Cleaned House - Free Pass
Year Two - Drafted Franchise QB - Youngest team in the NFL with most Rookie starts
Pending - But reasonable expectations in my book.
Year Three - Still have the draft and free agency but the offensive staff was overhauled - Should expect this team to flirt with .500 or just finish around 6 - 10 or 7 - 9 - If this happens - Year Four is fine with Bradley going forward
Year Four - Play-offs are they're all gone - Caldwell, Bradley, potentially Bortles pending his play on the field and maturity as a QB
I think pushing play-offs in year four is more reasonable. It's going to be extremely tough to win this division with Andrew Luck up in Indy.
Quote:I think pushing play-offs in year four is more reasonable. It's going to be extremely tough to win this division with Andrew Luck up in Indy.
True. To an extent. I think the South will be a lot more winnable in the future going forward. Luck is a great QB on the rise already, but I don't see him as an unstoppable force of nature just yet. He can be beaten. They'll still be in the conversation every year though as long as he's healthy. 10+ wins will always be expected out of him.
But yeah, this team has to make significant strides this year to even remotely get the fanbase feeling good about what 2016 will look like. By mid-season of this year, we'll know.
Quote:True. To an extent. I think the South will be a lot more winnable in the future going forward. Luck is a great QB on the rise already, but I don't see him as an unstoppable force of nature just yet. He can be beaten. They'll still be in the conversation every year though as long as he's healthy. 10+ wins will always be expected out of him.
But yeah, this team has to make significant strides this year to even remotely get the fanbase feeling good about what 2016 will look like. By mid-season of this year, we'll know.
Unstoppable? No... But if you don't think this is Peyton all over again. Winning the division again and again.... You're mistaken.
Quote:True. To an extent. I think the South will be a lot more winnable in the future going forward. Luck is a great QB on the rise already, but I don't see him as an unstoppable force of nature just yet. He can be beaten. They'll still be in the conversation every year though as long as he's healthy. 10+ wins will always be expected out of him.
But yeah, this team has to make significant strides this year to even remotely get the fanbase feeling good about what 2016 will look like. By mid-season of this year, we'll know.
That's pretty much how I see it. It's too far of a reach for this team to be competitive for playoff's in 2015; but, it's not unreasonable to expect to see
significant improvement. I guess this just begs the question; what would the minimal amount of improvement have to be before it would be regarded as significant?
I tend to quantify things football by the win/loss record since football is a
team sport. IMHO, I would say we must finish 2015 with not less than a 6-10 record. 6-10? (gasp!) I realize that isn't the kind of record that's going to make a lot of Jag fans happy, but for this team at this point I think it would arguably represent a 'significant improvement'.
Come on Jaguars! You can do it! With a lot of work, you too can become an average, middle of the pack team. Kind'a sad when you realize that just becoming average is a significant improvement, don't you think?
Quote:That's pretty much how I see it. It's too far of a reach for this team to be competitive for playoff's in 2015; but, it's not unreasonable to expect to see significant improvement. I guess this just begs the question; what would the minimal amount of improvement have to be before it would be regarded as significant?
I tend to quantify things football by the win/loss record since football is a team sport. IMHO, I would say we must finish 2015 with not less than a 6-10 record. 6-10? (gasp!) I realize that isn't the kind of record that's going to make a lot of Jag fans happy, but for this team at this point I think it would arguably represent a 'significant improvement'.
Come on Jaguars! You can do it! With a lot of work, you too can become an average, middle of the pack team. Kind'a sad when you realize that just becoming average is a significant improvement, don't you think?
Hoping for 6-10.... SMH
Quote:Unstoppable? No... But if you don't think this is Peyton all over again. Winning the division again and again.... You're mistaken.
Not seeing that at all. The Colts pretty much have a free pass to the division right now because everyone else sucks so bad. That can easily change. Hell, if the Texans get QB they could make a push.
Quote:Unstoppable? No... But if you don't think this is Peyton all over again. Winning the division again and again.... You're mistaken.
I don't think it's Peyton again. Peyton was Peyton. And Andrew is Andrew. I think he'll be close to those 10 - 11 win type seasons but not in those Peyton like years where they were finishing 12 - 13, sometimes 14 games yearly. They don't have a good running game either and that defense is suspect. The closts were 19th this year in points allowed on defense. When Manning was there with Dungy, they had a decent string of finishing in the top 8 in points allowed. Luck also doesn't have Wayne for much longer or Harrison. Hilton is great, don't get me wrong. But that's not the same as what they had before. Also, Polian is not in that front office. Pagano is an "okay" headcoach. He gets more credit than he deserves because of Luck.
Good point, caldrac.
In top of that, the clots are gonna have to pay luck alot of money, they will have cap issues, and the track record of their front office makes me think they will have an increasingly hard time getting a good team around luck
I think the topic brings up a side point to the topic. There is a chance that Blake does not develop or could go down with an injury. I have zero confidence in Henne taking over the reigns of this team, beyond an emergency QB for a game or two. Morris is just plain awful. I hope Caldwell finds a young QB (vet or rookie) worth developing to put on the roster behind Bortles.
Quote:I don't think it's Peyton again. Peyton was Peyton. And Andrew is Andrew. I think he'll be close to those 10 - 11 win type seasons but not in those Peyton like years where they were finishing 12 - 13, sometimes 14 games yearly. They don't have a good running game either and that defense is suspect. The closts were 19th this year in points allowed on defense. When Manning was there with Dungy, they had a decent string of finishing in the top 8 in points allowed. Luck also doesn't have Wayne for much longer or Harrison. Hilton is great, don't get me wrong. But that's not the same as what they had before. Also, Polian is not in that front office. Pagano is an "okay" headcoach. He gets more credit than he deserves because of Luck.
Thats the thing though. They are going to get better. They're winning 10 and 11 games now with a below average defense and very few weapons.
Quote:Thats the thing though. They are going to get better. They're winning 10 and 11 games now with a below average defense and very few weapons.
Not while Grigson is their GM.
Quote:Thats the thing though. They are going to get better. They're winning 10 and 11 games now with a below average defense and very few weapons.
that's because they have 4 guaranteed wins in the tack and us each year
put them in another division and they are a 7-9 team
Luck carries that team
each year but unless they get some hits in that front 7 they will start to side
we are slowly building and the Texas are a qb and a corner away from contending
Quote:Rookie + oline issues + rookies WRs + no running game = did not stink.
How tough would it have been to throw the ball out of bounds rather than take 15 hits AND 10 sacks ???
It doesn't make you a bad mammy-jammer just because you are willing to take a beating every week.
Quote:How tough would it have been to throw the ball out of bounds rather than take 15 hits AND 10 sacks ???
It doesn't make you a bad mammy-jammer just because you are willing to take a beating every week.
Huh?
Quote:How tough would it have been to throw the ball out of bounds rather than take 15 hits AND 10 sacks ???
It doesn't make you a bad mammy-jammer just because you are willing to take a beating every week.
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Bortles rarely or NEVER threw the ball away rather than taking a needless
sack. He also took an unbelievable needless sacks and hits time after time.
It's like he doesn't have that built-in clock to know when the pocket has totally collapsed.
And just because he could run away at times as a rookie, those poundings will mount up
much faster and faster, then you are a real pocket passer only.
Look, I want him to be better than Big Ben R, but he's headed for Earl Campnell legs,
which require a walker.
Quote:Bortles rarely or NEVER threw the ball away rather than taking a needless
sack. He also took an unbelievable needless sacks and hits time after time.
It's like he doesn't have that built-in clock to know when the pocket has totally collapsed.
And just because he could run away at times as a rookie, those poundings will mount up
much faster and faster, then you are a real pocket passer only.
Look, I want him to be better than Big Ben R, but he's headed for Earl Campnell legs,
which require a walker.
I don't agree with the bolded statement
at all. Did he take needless sacks? Probably, most guys do anyway. But to state that he has no pocket sense? That's just reaching.
Quote:That's pretty much how I see it. It's too far of a reach for this team to be competitive for playoff's in 2015; but, it's not unreasonable to expect to see significant improvement. I guess this just begs the question; what would the minimal amount of improvement have to be before it would be regarded as significant?
I tend to quantify things football by the win/loss record since football is a team sport. IMHO, I would say we must finish 2015 with not less than a 6-10 record. 6-10? (gasp!) I realize that isn't the kind of record that's going to make a lot of Jag fans happy, but for this team at this point I think it would arguably represent a 'significant improvement'.
Come on Jaguars! You can do it! With a lot of work, you too can become an average, middle of the pack team. Kind'a sad when you realize that just becoming average is a significant improvement, don't you think?
There was "improvement" this year and we went from 4 to 3 wins. I'm thinking contracts are renewed for all if we have a break out year and go 5-11.
Quote:There was "improvement" this year and we went from 4 to 3 wins. I'm thinking contracts are renewed for all if we have a break out year and go 5-11.
these sort of posts make me incredibly conflicted as i most definitely believe that wins and losses are the only stat that anyone remembers or that really matters
that being said anyone that couldn't see some improvement from 2013 either wasn't looking or saw what they wanted to see
All i can say is that if we spend big in fa as expected draft well again and don't go in the ball park of 8-8 next year then Bradley has to go