Quote:Godwin's Law dictates you just lost not only the argument, but all credibility as well.
I generally ignore internet laws. It doesnt change the fact that gun control has proven to be a slippery slope to genocide repeatedly in the last 150 years.
Quote:How would he sign off on a gas tax if congress hasn't voted on it?
Dont stop him, he's on a roll.
Quote:That's fine I accept the argument it's a good business practice to offer paid sick time. That's different then government telling a private individual you can't own a business and hire someone without offering it.
It's good personal finances to have a savings account, should the government mandate everyone keep ___ amount of their paycheck in a savings account?
How does government telling someone how to manage their money effects the private business sector?
Quote:How would he sign off on a gas tax if congress hasn't voted on it?
I was being a sarcastic jerk asking that question, since he brought it up.
Quote:That's fine I accept the argument it's a good business practice to offer paid sick time. That's different then government telling a private individual you can't own a business and hire someone without offering it.
It's good personal finances to have a savings account, should the government mandate everyone keep ___ amount of their paycheck in a savings account?
They would have to raise the minimum wage first :thumbsup:
Quote:I generally ignore internet laws. It doesnt change the fact that gun control has proven to be a slippery slope to genocide repeatedly in the last 150 years.
A: Example?
B: Hitler loosened gun restrictions in 1938.
C: Saying gun control was a factor in the Holocaust show a fundamental lack of understanding of what happened in Germany and other parts of Europe between 1933 and 1945.
Quote:UK, Australia, Japan?
Netherlands, Belgium, France?
Quote:A: Example?
B: Hitler loosened gun restrictions in 1938.
C: Saying gun control was a factor in the Holocaust show a fundamental lack of understanding of what happened in Germany and other parts of Europe between 1933 and 1945.
Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons, 11/11/38. Yep, Hitler loosened the restrictions for his side, instituted gun confiscation for enemies of the state who would end up in the camps. The fundamental lack of understanding is that armed citizens don't end up like the Turks (1.5 million dead), the Soviets (20 million), the Nazis (20 million), the Chinese (35 to 45 million) or even the black population of the Reconstruction South who were denied the right gun ownership and ended up lynched.
Those who dream of oppressing their enemies first push them down the slippery slope by taking away their guns.
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Quote:Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons, 11/11/38. Yep, Hitler loosened the restrictions for his side, instituted gun confiscation for enemies of the state who would end up in the camps. The fundamental lack of understanding is that armed citizens don't end up like the Turks (1.5 million dead), the Soviets (20 million), the Nazis (20 million), the Chinese (35 to 45 million) or even the black population of the Reconstruction South who were denied the right gun ownership and ended up lynched.
Those who dream of oppressing their enemies first push them down the slippery slope by taking away their guns.
Riiiiiight. If only the Jews had fought for their gun rights, WW2 would have never happened.
Lol.
Quote:I haven't heard of any talks about taxpayers paying for fringe benefits. He just wants to create legislation that if you hire an employee they get ___ amount of benefits. What that will do is further drive down entry level jobs, I'm not going to offer someone ___ benefits to flip burgers and scrub toilets.
Okay, gotcha. Thanks. I haven't had a chance yet to read a synopsis of the speech.
Quote:It's good personal finances to have a savings account, should the government mandate everyone keep ___ amount of their paycheck in a savings account?
They sort of already do that and call it social security.
Quote:How's that working out?
I think you could say it's working out pretty well, since we don't have millions of old people lying in the streets starving.
You see, the problem is, in theory, if you could make people pay for their mistakes, you could have your libertarian society with zero socialism. But we are too soft hearted to watch people suffer for their mistakes. If people are starving, we will feed them. Why not make them save up some money for their old age? The alternative is that the more soft hearted among us wind up taking care of them because they never prepared for the future. So I am all in favor of forcing people to save their money for their old age. It gets me off the hook for either supporting them or watching them starve.
Quote:I think you could say it's working out pretty well, since we don't have millions of old people lying in the streets starving.
You see, the problem is, in theory, if you could make people pay for their mistakes, you could have your libertarian society with zero socialism. But we are too soft hearted to watch people suffer for their mistakes. If people are starving, we will feed them. Why not make them save up some money for their old age? The alternative is that the more soft hearted among us wind up taking care of them because they never prepared for the future. So I am all in favor of forcing people to save their money for their old age. It gets me off the hook for either supporting them or watching them starve.
Going fine really?
They've openly admitted they don't have the money to pay out in the near future. So at some point people that have been forced their entire working life to pay in will get squat. That's the thing with Ponzi schemes eventually the well runs dry and the sap at the end gets shafted
Government isn't saving that money for you their using it to fund operations and sticking an IOU in your back pocket.
Going fine, that's funny
Quote:Riiiiiight. If only the Jews had fought for their gun rights, WW2 would have never happened.
Lol.
Wasn't my point, my point was the the so-called "Slippery Slope Fallacy" isn't always a fallacy.
Quote:Wasn't my point, my point was the the so-called "Slippery Slope Fallacy" isn't always a fallacy.
Again; fundamental and complete misunderstanding of literally EVERYTHING that happened between 1933 and 1945.
Quote:Again; fundamental and complete misunderstanding of literally EVERYTHING that happened between 1933 and 1945.
And 1874, 1912, 1948, 1968, 1975, 1985, 1991, 1994, etc, etc, etc. Lol.
Its ok, I understand the differences in our worldviews.
Quote:And 1874, 1912, 1948, 1968, 1975, 1985, 1991, 1994, etc, etc, etc. Lol.
Its ok, I understand the differences in our worldviews.
So explain to me how those were examples of gun control leading to genocide. Because I have yet to see a single conclusive example where the two were related.
Quote:Going fine really?
They've openly admitted they don't have the money to pay out in the near future. So at some point people that have been forced their entire working life to pay in will get squat. That's the thing with Ponzi schemes eventually the well runs dry and the sap at the end gets shafted
Government isn't saving that money for you their using it to fund operations and sticking an IOU in your back pocket.
Going fine, that's funny
No argument about the looming insolvency of the program.
That said, the "IOUs" people make so much of are actually US government bonds.
The idea that social security will default is highly unlikely, since the old folks who receive the payments are a growing percentage of the population and vote in higher percentages than any other slice of the population. We may have to change the way it is funded and paid out, but it will not default and people will get their social security payments.
But all that doesn't change my basic point, and that is, social security is one of the most successful government programs ever created. It has forced people to save for their old age, and kept old people from starving in the streets. Imagine the strain on charities and other social services if the social security program did not exist.