Quote:I believe that society can quelch rights for cause, I dont believe that it should preemptively do so. Gun restrictions are no different than poll taxes or "hate" speech laws in my opinion.
That's not an answer. Should felons, minors and people deemed mentally incompetent have the right to own guns?
Quote:Are you two in favor of no restrictions on gun ownership?
I mean, the slope gets slippery somewhere.
I'm not in favor of any gun restrictions for legal adults.
Quote:That's not an answer. Should felons, minors and people deemed mentally incompetent have the right to own guns?
No ones ever suggested minors should own a firearm I do however believe gun safety should be taught to children
Quote:That's not an answer. Should felons, minors and people deemed mentally incompetent have the right to own guns?
I'll try again: I believe society has the right to forbid certain people from exercising their second amendment rights, or "quelch rights for cause."
Quote:I'm not in favor of any gun restrictions for legal adults.
What about types of guns/other weapons the felons and mentally ill can own?
Quote:What about types of guns/other weapons the felons and mentally ill can own?
I don't know about other states, but here in NC my husband is having to get a psych eval done to get a concealed carry permit. Not to buy the gun (he did have a background check done) but to get the conceal permit. I don't know what they do if you have 'issues'. I think if you've ever been committed to an institution you can't get a CC permit (I know you can't serve on jury duty if you have).
The funny thing is, you can open carry all day long, as long as you don't take it in a place of business that has a sign forbidding you to carry. But CC has so many rules. I remember seeing a guy in Fayetteville walk into Target with a sidearm on his hip and thought that to be very much a no-no. But apparently not.
We've never owned guns until recently and now have a shotgun (mine) and a 9mm (his). And we're looking into getting another long gun. We're definitely learning a lot of stuff when it comes to the laws of owning. They have some weird ones up here.
Quote:What about types of guns/other weapons the felons and mentally ill can own?
I'm for completely restoring felons rights after they've served their time, that includes voting, gun ownership, ect....
as for the mentally ill, if they're deemed safe enough to live outside of an institution who am I to judge if they should or shouldn't own a firearm? If someone's really so mentally unstable that they can't be trusted with a firearm why are they not institutionalized?
Most of the time the "mentally ill" is used to strip vets with PTSD, or someone that had a bad year and told the wrong doctor.
Also, being someone who was formally unhinged mentally, to the point of being institutionalized, I think it's a very fine line when it comes to allowing folks who are mentally ill to handle ANY weapon legally. I know that folks can grab a screwdriver or a kitchen knife and do some damage but the liability is on them, not the government. There is a time in my life that I absolutely should not have had a firearm in my possession, and I didn't. I would have ended up using it on someone if the 'right' circumstances presented themselves.
Will people get a hold of firearms or other weapons anyway? Yes. But it doesn't mean we should legally allow them to have one. Or encourage them to have one.
Same goes for felons. Except they gave up their right to own when they broke the law.
Quote:I'm for completely restoring felons rights after they've served their time, that includes voting, gun ownership, ect....
as for the mentally ill, if they're deemed safe enough to live outside of an institution who am I to judge if they should or shouldn't own a firearm? If someone's really so mentally unstable that they can't be trusted with a firearm why are they not institutionalized?
Most of the time the "mentally ill" is used to strip vets with PTSD, or someone that had a bad year and told the wrong doctor.
I've known folks who left an institution only because their insurance ran out, not because they were better. It's got to be on a case by case basis.
Quote:I've known folks who left an institution only because their insurance ran out, not because they were better. It's got to be on a case by case basis.
So they where voluntarily institutionalized then correct? To me if someone is conscious enough to know they need help why can't we expect they're consious enough to know they shouldn't own a firearm?
You can't legislate responsibly any more than you can legislate morality.
Quote:So they where voluntarily institutionalized then correct? To me if someone is conscious enough to know they need help why can't we expect they're consious enough to know they shouldn't own a firearm?
You can't legislate responsibly any more than you can legislate morality.
Not always voluntarily, no.
The mental healthcare 'system' is ridiculously complicated. There are so many rabbit holes it's not even funny.
I was not voluntarily institutionalized the first time. I was Baker Acted as I was a danger to myself or others (attempted suicide). There is a mandatory 72 hour hold on Baker Acts or other such involuntary admissions. After that, it's at the discretion of the doctor whether you stay or go. There are people, sick people, who are extremely persuasive and should not be let out. But they know the system because 9 times out of 10 this ain't their first rodeo, and they know what to say and how to act.
The second time I took myself in because I was still suicidal (honestly, I shouldn't have been let out the first time). At that point, unless I was showing active signs of harming myself, they couldn't make me stay if I felt I was able to leave. I got the help I needed and felt okay to leave so I did and have never had the problem again.
The shrinks are so overwhelmed by their own practices/patients, their hospital duties and institution duties (which always came at the end of their long day) that sometimes I think they didn't know whether they were coming or going. Most shrinks do not work exclusively at mental hospitals. It's added to their own practice and whatever regular hospital duties they have, as well as court cases they may have to attend.
This is just one example. So there is no easy answer to whether or not a mentally ill person should legally own a weapon of any kind.
Quote:I'm for completely restoring felons rights after they've served their time, that includes voting, gun ownership, ect....
as for the mentally ill, if they're deemed safe enough to live outside of an institution who am I to judge if they should or shouldn't own a firearm? If someone's really so mentally unstable that they can't be trusted with a firearm why are they not institutionalized?
Most of the time the "mentally ill" is used to strip vets with PTSD, or someone that had a bad year and told the wrong doctor.
Im all for this.
I do think their needs to be baselines on the mentally ill. I am no expert so I do not know what that should be.
I personally would be fine if guns were all of a sudden illegal. I also don't think that should happen for constitutional reasons. I do think limits can and should be placed on types of guns. I know there is like 2 people that would agree with me on this forum. I'm ok with that.
Quote:Seriously?
No, just a snarky comment. Although, I do believe that mandates can hinder a company's ability to profitably create jobs.
Quote:Anarchist!
well..................... :whistling:
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I personally would be fine if guns were all of a sudden illegal. I also don't think that should happen for constitutional reasons. I do think limits can and should be placed on types of guns. I know there is like 2 people that would agree with me on this forum. I'm ok with that.
Why? I'm curious to know.
Quote:Why? I'm curious to know.
I have no desire to have a gun or have one near me even in a concealed form. I have had guns pulled on me multiple times by drunk and non drunk people who thought it was hilarious to scare the poop out of me. Fully legal concealed carry owning adults in good standing. It's purely anecdotal I know but that's how most people base viewpoints anyways.
I also did say I would not support it due to their constitutionality just that it would not bother me in the event of the impossible happening.
Quote:I have no desire to have a gun or have one near me even in a concealed form. I have had guns pulled on me multiple times by drunk and non drunk people who thought it was hilarious to scare the poop out of me. Fully legal concealed carry owning adults in good standing. It's purely anecdotal I know but that's how most people base viewpoints anyways.
I also did say I would not support it due to their constitutionality just that it would not bother me in the event of the impossible happening.
Well if your ever in Florida hit me up, I'd love to take you out shooting in a safe enviroment where I assure you no one is pointing a gun at anyone. Maybe my influence will bring you to the dark side!
Quote:Well if your ever in Florida hit me up, I'd love to take you out shooting in a safe enviroment where I assure you no one is pointing a gun at anyone. Maybe my influence will bring you to the dark side!
Don't get me wrong, I know how to use a gun safely and have been to the range a few times even after I left FL. Im just meh on it.
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