Quote:If Trestman is so good, why did he linger in a Canadian Football league so long?
The Bears offense was loaded with talent the past year and struggled to score points. Plus, the guy is a giant weirdo. Have you ever heard one of his press conferences?
I think the focus should be more on what he did there. He may have gone there to prove he could be a head coach before he went to the bears. He also dominated that CFL thing lol.
Quote:Lovie hiring the man that succeeded him in Chi-Town would be awkward to say the least. Or Would It be?
Not really. It's not like Lovie hired Trestman as OC and was then replaced by him.
I could definitely see Trestman landing here, given a few factors:
1. The presence of a talented, young QB who's already taken his rookie lumps
2. A coach who will likely take a very hands-off approach and let him do his thing (same could be said for TB, though)
3. An offense that has an arrow which can, realistically, only point up
4. A team that has already committed to spending in free agency on veteran players
5. A head coach with a potentially tenuous situation--if the offense lights it up but the team still struggles next year, Trestman becomes a natural candidate to succeed Bradley
I'm biased, I'm sure, but it seems to me that the Jaguars' opening would be much more attractive than the Bucs opening for almost any candidate so long as the money is right, and after all of Caldwell's talk about spending to improve the team, I can't imagine the Jags would low-ball an OC with Trestman's track record if he's really the guy they want.
Quote:The fact he was OC for the Raiders the year Rich Gannon became league MVP makes him stand out. He also helped Cutler produce a career best year, and coached Bernie Kosar and Steve Young, too.
Rich Gannon was already trending upwards before Trestmann came along prior to 2001. He was having great years in 1999 and 2000. Steve and Kosar would have been great regardless of Trestmann.
Now if you told me he made Chad Henne into a 5 time 3,500+ 92 rating 64% completion rating 8 ypa type QB I'd be more impressed but when you really look at it his name being among those QBs is more of a coincidence I think.
As far as Cutler he had a large uptick in attempts but his numbers don't appear to be significantly different from his prior seasons when factoring in attempts. Look at his stats. They all all very Jay Cutlerish. Better than average but not elite.
Quote:Rich Gannon was already trending upwards before Trestmann came along prior to 2001. He was having great years in 1999 and 2000. Steve and Kosar would have been great regardless of Trestmann.
Now if you told me he made Chad Henne into a 5 time 3,500+ 92 rating 64% completion rating 8 ypa type QB I'd be more impressed but when you really look at it his name being among those QBs is more of a coincidence I think.
He did that, just Chad Henne has to be a 14 year vet before he did lol. Let's not argue to just argue. The man's track record is there.
so basically cause he was Rich Gannon coach in an era of football that has long been gone we should hire him?
i'm not understandin dis logic really
Quote:He did that, just Chad Henne has to be a 14 year vet before he did lol. Let's not argue to just argue. The man's track record is there.
How can you say it was Trestmann that led Gannon to be MVP if he was already trending there? I'm not taking anything anyway from him I just don't think we should overstate his real impact.
Quote:Rich Gannon was already trending upwards before Trestmann came along prior to 2001. He was having great years in 1999 and 2000. Steve and Kosar would have been great regardless of Trestmann.
Now if you told me he made Chad Henne into a 5 time 3,500+ 92 rating 64% completion rating 8 ypa type QB I'd be more impressed but when you really look at it his name being among those QBs is more of a coincidence I think.
As far as Cutler he had a large uptick in attempts but his numbers don't appear to be significantly different from his prior seasons when factoring in attempts. Look at his stats. They all all very Jay Cutlerish. Better than average but not elite.
Speaking of YPA, he has had a habit of reducing that number for every QB he's coached. That only reinforces his "dink and dunk" philosophy.
Quote:so basically cause he was Rich Gannon coach in an era of football that has long been gone we should hire him?
i'm not understandin dis logic really
Any time you have to go back 12+ years for an example to back a point it makes you wonder "what has been up too lately"?
Quote:How can you say it was Trestmann that led Gannon to be MVP if he was already trending there? I'm not taking anything anyway from him I just don't think we should overstate his real impact.
So we discount the ten years prior to the three year span. Gannon was no more than Henne his whole career. He may have mad a little bump but Trestman had this man looking like Manning. If you didnt watch this guy its very unlikely you would see the difference in his play prior to. Numbers don't tell the whole story....
Quote:Any time you have to go back 12+ years for an example to back a point it makes you wonder "what has been up too lately"?
12 years=era in football long gone?
In this case...no...aside from concussions changing how defense is played.
What has he been up to lately? Aside from giving Cutler his best statistical year of his career in 2014, and giving the Bears the 2nd best offense in the league just two seasons ago?
Quote:Speaking of YPA, he has had a habit of reducing that number for every QB he's coached. That only reinforces his "dink and dunk" philosophy.
Trestmann is a prime example of the "big name" trap.
Quote:12 years=era in football long gone?
In this case...no...aside from concussions changing how defense is played.
What has he been up to lately? Aside from giving Cutler his best statistical year of his career in 2013, and giving the Bears the 2nd best offense in the league just two seasons ago?
Gannon is just the best example in my eyes of him turning chicken poo to chicken Marsala.
Even with Cutlers ineptitude,the bears still had a top 3 offense. The coaching speaks for itself. He is the definition of a guy who makes it happen offensively where ever he is.
Quote:Gannon is just the best example in my eyes of him turning chicken poo to chicken Marsala.
Even with Cutlers ineptitude,the bears still had a top 3 offense. The coaching speaks for itself. He is the definition of a guy who makes it happen offensively where ever he is.
Actually Gannon is just an example of someone finally getting it at the end of his career. Trestmann has nothing to do with what he accomplished between 1999-2001.
Cutler has had his best statistical performances under Trestman.
Quote:Cutler has had his best statistical performances under Trestman.
Misleading. You're probably looking at overall yardage but he threw more times, over 200+ than the prior season. Lowest YPA since time with bears at 6.8. Higher completion percent but again probably because throws are shorter. Yet he threw only 25 tds and 18 ints which is about par for Cutler. Again, Trestman did nothing.
I'm pretty sure this guy didn't just pop up at the right time everywhere he has been.
Quote:I'm pretty sure this guy didn't just pop up at the right time everywhere he has been.
This. His tenure in Chicago notwithstanding (and even that wasn't all bad), the guy's been successful and knows how to get a high level of play out of an offense.
Quote:I'm pretty sure this guy didn't just pop up at the right time everywhere he has been.
Well prove he did anything other than that.