Quote:It's actually my back patio and it's a swing.
Oh no, a picture of me from a nameless faceless person! Going to go cry, you guys. I'm hurt.
All of this, for saying it's likely Alualu is back and he's a good rotational player. Amazing.
Maybe if you put more effort in writing a clear, concise article that had more details and support for your thesis statement your point would have been easier to decipher.... Just a suggestion.
Quote:It's actually my back patio and it's a swing.
Oh no, a picture of me from a nameless faceless person! Going to go cry, you guys. I'm hurt.
All of this, for saying it's likely Alualu is back and he's a good rotational player. Amazing.
You enjoy being the heel. Admit it.
Lol I can't believe people are really trying to justify resigning this guy.
He's a nice guy. He's AT BEST a DECENT rotational football player, one that can be upgraded tremendously by etheir an undrafted rookie or cheaper free agent in the offseason.
Quote:1. I'd estimate his market value as $1.5M or less. I certainly could be wrong, but there have been a lot of decent backup DTs who have signed for veteran minimum or close to it these last few years. And before you once again spin the DE claim, any reasonably quick DT could fill the role of run stuffing DE.
Saving a million dollars is not worth "quite a bit of work"? I'd be glad to take that low-value $1M off your hands.
2. You don't think that $2.5M could make a difference? There is always some amount that could make a difference. I wonder how much more the Jags would have had to offer Mack before Cleveland gave in? Probably a lot more than $2.5M, but every little bit helps.
3. Market price is what you have to pay a free agent. Hood's contract was market price. I personally don't think Hood was worth $4M, but that's the price Caldwell needed to pay to outbid other NFL GMs.
1. What is this estimate based on, specifically? There is no "spin the DE claim". He's a defensive end. That is his primary position. He is not a defensive tackle and hasn't been since 2012. He plays defensive end.
Also, I'll let you know when I'm a multi-billion dollar corporation that deals with contracts worth millions of dollars. Teams aren't going to go through all of that to save themselves $500k-$1M on the salary cap.
2. No, on a team with $50M+ in salary cap room, $2.5M on the cap isn't going to make the difference. Sure, the Jaguars could have offered more. Offering $2.5M more wasn't going to back Cleveland off, because on a single season that's not a large amount to an NFL team. Especially one with loads of cap room.
3. How many other GMs were bidding on Ziggy Hood, though? Who was Caldwell out bidding? Now, you claim that Alualu's "market value" is $1.5M, which is based entirely on nothing, but you agree that Hood is overpaid at $4M and that's what a GM would have to pay for market value. Do you see the disconnect there?
Quote:You enjoy being the heel. Admit it.
I will not deny it, but I didn't even need to try this time.
Some good natural pop.
So what are the honest why and why nots of resigning him?Seriously.
Why Not? Because he is at best a decent rotational player only. It would save us money. It will allow us to move on from another wasted 1st round pick, and allow for other players to develop.
Why? Because we can...
Seems pretty one sided to me.
He's a marginal rotational player. You can more than get by with Alualu playing the same role next season, but he can also be replaced quite easily with a late round pick. As long as it's for close to the veterans minimum, I don't really have a strong opinion on whether or not to re-sign him.
Quote:So what are the honest why and why nots of resigning him?Seriously.
Why Not? Because he is at best a decent rotational player only. It would save us money. It will allow us to move on from another wasted 1st round pick, and allow for other players to develop.
Why? Because we can...
Seems pretty one sided to me.
Be another hole to fill with a rookie that can potentially start elsewhere
Quote:Be another hole to fill with a rookie that can potentially start elsewhere
What hole would be left if Tyson Alualu left the roster? He doesn't start.
Quote:1. What is this estimate based on, specifically? There is no "spin the DE claim". He's a defensive end. That is his primary position. He is not a defensive tackle and hasn't been since 2012. He plays defensive end.
3. How many other GMs were bidding on Ziggy Hood, though? Who was Caldwell out bidding? Now, you claim that Alualu's "market value" is $1.5M, which is based entirely on nothing, but you agree that Hood is overpaid at $4M and that's what a GM would have to pay for market value. Do you see the disconnect there?
He plays a run stuffing 'DE.' He's a DT who plays on the end of a three DT, one pass rusher scheme.
Estimate is based on contracts what I remember for fair starter and backup DT salaries over the last two years. Looking at Anchorman's numbers for good starting DTs, $1.5M is probably an overestimate.
I'm assuming that Caldwell knew what he was doing in his offer to Ziggy Hood. If he gave Ziggy a $4M contract while everyone else was offering (say) $1M, then we have a GM who throws money around like confetti.
I would keep Alualu around for close to the veterans minimum.
If anything, he can be a veteran in the locker room that has experience in different schemes and with different coaches.
I don't mind keeping him as a rotational guy buried in the depth chart.
Quote:I would keep Alualu around for close to the veterans minimum.
If anything, he can be a veteran in the locker room that has experience in different schemes and with different coaches.
Nearly every NFL veteran has experience in different schemes, with different coaches.
Quote:He's a marginal rotational player. You can more than get by with Alualu playing the same role next season, but he can also be replaced quite easily with a late round pick. As long as it's for close to the veterans minimum, I don't really have a strong opinion on whether or not to re-sign him.
I have a feeling that if we were to sign him in the off-season from another squad, people would be talking about how it was a good move. Sometimes the grass seems greener than it really is. Bring him back to compete for depth, and if there's a rookie or younger player that can displace him, so be it.
Edit: This his his 2015 salary...
Base = 2,442,500
Signing Bonus = 295,000
Option Bonus =1,247,500
Work-out Bons =150,000
Cap Hit = 3,985,000
Dead Money = 1,542,500
Quote:I hope your 2nd dedicated thread to something I wrote also goes 13 pages of people making themselves look stupid again.
you're kicking it off with a bang.
Love how Alfie says people are making themselves look stupid then proceeds to get destroyed in this thread.
Dudes a joke.
Quote:I'm aware where they come from. The thing is, Alualu plays primarily defensive end, though. Specifically the strong side end. He kicks inside in some situations.
No, I'm not really going to say that he has "exclusively played 5 tech" because he hasn't, nor have I ever said he has. That doesn't mean he's a "defensive tackle". Just like when Darren Sproles lines up at wide receiver in the slot, he's not a wide receiver. He's a running back who will at times line up as a wide receiver, just like Tyson Alualu at times will lineup inside in some packages.
You are aware players can shift around in packages right? That doesn't change their primary position now, does it?
Therefor, complaining about his salary in comparison to people like Marks, who primarily play defensive tackle, is comical.
I'm sorry being able to see that Alualu is a good depth player in his role bothers you, Joe, and thunderbuns so much. How mad were you guys when he didn't get cut last year like I told you he wouldn't? Did you press the keys on the keyboard hard?
tyson was drafted as a DT and the contract was made as a DT. so his pay in this contract is for a DT, regardless if he plays DE this season and is listed as so, he would be the same whether he played DT, was listed as a CB or whatever. so its irrelevant.
unless they restructured his contract based on position that im unaware of.
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