Quote:This. You got a couple of people, MVP and Haze that are convinced he takes poor angles and cant tackle. Yet he tackles more than our middle linebacker. Or any of our linebackers. He tackles more than 87% of the Strong safeties in the league. His job is run support and he is doing it,and lets face facts the D line gets stood up or gets penetration, the linebackers get shoved to the ground and after 7 yards and a full head of steam Mr.Cyprien meets Mr.Runner breaking out of a pile of bodies. Anybody would miss a few. That's all your average bonehead fan sees, a miss in space. Not the other 8 tackles in open space. Not the other 6 passes he doubled on and helped evans or mccray out. When our Linebackers can tackle more and not get shoved around like 200 lb toothpicks then Cyprien won't take these mythical bad angles. The really bizarre part is he has had a very good 2nd year with a very average to poor secondary. The D line has been very good. The backfield - Evans, Mccray, Gratz have been decent, but Cyprien has been far better. Between Cyp and the D line those guys have kept us in games, period. Especially since Poz went out. Because he is not causing fumbles or making interceptions he is not performing at a high level? It's Crap.
You here are actually a good example of a person talking out of their [BLEEP]
Quote:You here are actually a good example of a person talking out of their [BLEEP]
Do you ever use content or stats to make your point or are you happy coming off as a drunk English bloke with one liners that don't hold water?
Quote:Are you even watching the same games sober? It's not worth arguing with you because you literally are making things up. The guy has played awful most of the year. It's not even debate. Sure he makes tackles but he also misses plenty. Your a blind homer. It's ok.
Its not a debate. Cyp is 4th in the league among safeties for tackles. He has more than any of our linebackers. he does not miss plenty, you are sloshed and see the one he missed in space shedding a blocker and covering for Thomas or Hayes who fell down. You don't count the other ten he makes. Which makes you an amateur blind hater. Debate over, you couldn't be more wrong, he is the one man in the secondary we cannot do without right now.
Quote:Its not a debate. Cyp is 4th in the league among safeties for tackles. He has more than any of our linebackers. he does not miss plenty, you are sloshed and see the one he missed in space shedding a blocker and covering for Thomas or Hayes who fell down. You don't count the other ten he makes. Which makes you an amateur blind hater. Debate over, you couldn't be more wrong, he is the one man in the secondary we cannot do without right now.
Ok ray charles. Outside of his best game against the ravens, cyp constantly misses tackles. He often times puts himself out of position to make a big play. The only reason why he is 4th in the league is because this defense is on the field way too often. This offense combined with a defense who has struggled gives the opposite team many more plays. He makes tackles because the lb's are often playing a short zone and opposing Qb's are throwing the ball into the secondary. He makes many tackles way past the 1st down marker. I can count on one hand how many meaningful plays he has made this entire season. Take off the teal goggles man because you are really clueless
Quote:Ok ray charles. Outside of his best game against the ravens, cyp constantly misses tackles. He often times puts himself out of position to make a big play. The only reason why he is 4th in the league is because this defense is on the field way too often. This offense combined with a defense who has struggled gives the opposite team many more plays. He makes tackles because the lb's are often playing a short zone and opposing Qb's are throwing the ball into the secondary. He makes many tackles way past the 1st down marker. I can count on one hand how many meaningful plays he has made this entire season. Take off the teal goggles man because you are really clueless
It's no point with that clown. You won't see Cyprien on nobody's all pro or celebrity pro bowl list this year. Nor will you see anybody saying he was a snub for those either.
Quote:Its not a debate. Cyp is 4th in the league among safeties for tackles. He has more than any of our linebackers. he does not miss plenty, you are sloshed and see the one he missed in space shedding a blocker and covering for Thomas or Hayes who fell down. You don't count the other ten he makes. Which makes you an amateur blind hater. Debate over, you couldn't be more wrong, he is the one man in the secondary we cannot do without right now.
There's no doubt that Cyprien is always around the ball.
Cyprien, however, has whiffed on A LOT of tackles. He definitely has a knack for getting to the ball... unless he takes a bad angle. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. That's part of being involved in so many tackles. Just because he doesn't take a bad angle 4 out of 5 times, it doesn't mean that it's good SS play. Especially when that 1 missed angle leads to a big gain or TD.
Quote:You don't know that. You're literally making things up.
No we all know the dude can play we just know the team is stiill to young. Next year is the year with all the talent we will add with our current talent developed.
He's way better than last year and he will make a large leap just like all good player that have shown progression.
The frustrating thing about Cyp, prior to the Ravens game is this:
Yes, he makes a ton of tackles and he's a big part of our D. But (again, prior to the Raven's game) he'd overshoot a ball carrier which would result in a huge gain... His bad angles on occassion (I would say once a game prior to the Raven's game) would cost us 1 or 2 big plays each week.
I believe this issue can be corrected, but to ignore it would be intellectually dishonest...
I like our D, and I still think Cyp is gonna be a big part of it moving into 2015. But he's gotta get better at his pursuit. Sunday was a good game for him, there's no doubt. I just want to see that be the norm, not an outlier.
Quote:He's way better than last year and he will make a large leap just like all good player that have shown progression.
I'm hoping he does! Maybe last Sunday was the start of him beginning to reach his true potential. He seems like a hard worker and the type of player you want to see succeed in teal and black.
Quote:Its not a debate. Cyp is 4th in the league among safeties for tackles. He has more than any of our linebackers. he does not miss plenty, you are sloshed and see the one he missed in space shedding a blocker and covering for Thomas or Hayes who fell down. You don't count the other ten he makes. Which makes you an amateur blind hater. Debate over, you couldn't be more wrong, he is the one man in the secondary we cannot do without right now.
he's got the most tackles?
that's because Poszluszny is out, JT Thomas hasn't played as much, and neither has Telvin Smith.
The number of tackles he gets isn't that impressive when you consider how few impact plays he's made.
Saying he's taking bad angles or he's not playing as well because he's covering for other people's mistakes is pure conjecture, pure opinion, with no evidence to back it up.
Quote:He's way better than last year and he will make a large leap just like all good player that have shown progression.
what progression has he shown?
How did our defense do in the two and a half games he was out with a concussion?
Quote:No we all know the dude can play we just know the team is stiill to young. Next year is the year with all the talent we will add with our current talent developed.
we don't know he can play. he's an alright tackler that gets beaten too many times. He hasn't shown the ability to make big plays though, which is a big problem.
Simply asserting he's playing well means nothing. Asserting as fact that he will get better also doesn't mean anything, because he hasn't gotten better from year 1 to year 2 (at least in a noticeable way).
Quote:what progression has he shown?
Well he is alot better in coverage this year for one
Quote:How did our defense do in the two and a half games he was out with a concussion?
all that proves is that he's better than Winston Guy and Prosinski.
we know he's better than them.
Quote:Soooo he isn't terrible?
No. At least I never claimed he's terrible. I think he's very overrated. He's slightly below average to average as a SS in the league. Hardly worth a high 2nd round pick.
He's playing about as well as Dawan Landry, the guy he replaced.
Hardly anyone is saying he's terrible like Prosinski was... but for this defense to be considered "good"... he will need to make a lot of improvement.
Quote:No. At least I never claimed he's terrible. I think he's very overrated. He's slightly below average to average as a SS in the league. Hardly worth a high 2nd round pick.
He's playing about as well as Dawan Landry, the guy he replaced.
Hardly anyone is saying he's terrible like Prosinski was... but for this defense to be considered "good"... he will need to make a lot of improvement.
I agree with this. And I think he will get better when he can focus on fewer things.
Quote:I agree with this. And I think he will get better when he can focus on fewer things.
I hope he gets better. I just don't think it's because he's "covering for someone" or because the poor FS play... I think he is who is who he is, and will have to get better independent of what everyone around him does.